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You have three choices: 1) Deindustrialisation 2) Renewables with gas & coal and a high carbon footprint 3) Renewables and nuclear Decentralization, flexible g

You have three choices: 1) Deindustrialisation 2) Renewables with gas & coal and a high carbon footprint 3) Renewables and nuclear Decentralization, flexible grid, local storage are as viable and realistic as “cold fusion” for Germany as of today. You underestimate the tremendous need for electricity the industry has. So, realistically: either you chose global warming or nuclear power.

throwbadubadu 3y ago
As the foreposter said, stop crying for what is in the past now. Even if we wanted to restart old, or even crazier, build new plants: that window has passed and it wouldn't help much for a long time.. despite all the issues, the whole world could.not even sustain 50% nuclear.. so some countries just need to do it. You overprovision renewables and storage, and fossil backups usage needs will not completely go away, but diminish much quicker than thought.. it is just a scaling issue right now and a goal, at least.
- looping__lui 3y ago
  This hand-wavy thinking can and will cause shifts in wealth, prosperity and future of Germany and Europe. Ignoring it or feeling good about it won’t change reality very much like the central banks “laissez faire print money” led to (unavoidable yet very predictable) inflation putting individuals, families, companies and countries in a pretty delicate situation. Ideology doesn’t replace reality.
  - Gwypaas 3y ago
    The reality of new built nuclear costing 15 cents/kWh making whole swaths of already existing industries uneconomical? Why would anyone want that? https://www.lazard.com/research-insights/levelized-cost-of-energyplus/ https://www.lazard.com/research-insights/levelized-cost-of-e...
    - looping__lui 3y ago
      Not sure I understand what you are getting at. Electricity prices in Germany are 45+ cents/kWh.
      - Gwypaas 3y ago
        I would suggest reading up on the difference between the household and wholesale electricity market. German households pay among the most expensive electricity in the EU while the commercial wholesale market is at the lower end. The difference comes from taxes and fees. Germany briefly hit 45 cents/kWh last year due to the war. We are getting back to normal and in March the average price was 10 cents/kWh. In other words, even during the tail ends of winter and war induced supply crunches the average price was too low to support nuclear. New built nuclear is having energy crisis prices all year around.

throwbadubadu 3y ago

As the foreposter said, stop crying for what is in the past now. Even if we wanted to restart old, or even crazier, build new plants: that window has passed and it wouldn't help much for a long time.. despite all the issues, the whole world could.not even sustain 50% nuclear.. so some countries just need to do it. You overprovision renewables and storage, and fossil backups usage needs will not completely go away, but diminish much quicker than thought.. it is just a scaling issue right now and a goal, at least.

looping__lui 3y ago
This hand-wavy thinking can and will cause shifts in wealth, prosperity and future of Germany and Europe. Ignoring it or feeling good about it won’t change reality very much like the central banks “laissez faire print money” led to (unavoidable yet very predictable) inflation putting individuals, families, companies and countries in a pretty delicate situation. Ideology doesn’t replace reality.
- Gwypaas 3y ago
  The reality of new built nuclear costing 15 cents/kWh making whole swaths of already existing industries uneconomical? Why would anyone want that? https://www.lazard.com/research-insights/levelized-cost-of-energyplus/ https://www.lazard.com/research-insights/levelized-cost-of-e...
  - looping__lui 3y ago
    Not sure I understand what you are getting at. Electricity prices in Germany are 45+ cents/kWh.
    - Gwypaas 3y ago
      I would suggest reading up on the difference between the household and wholesale electricity market. German households pay among the most expensive electricity in the EU while the commercial wholesale market is at the lower end. The difference comes from taxes and fees. Germany briefly hit 45 cents/kWh last year due to the war. We are getting back to normal and in March the average price was 10 cents/kWh. In other words, even during the tail ends of winter and war induced supply crunches the average price was too low to support nuclear. New built nuclear is having energy crisis prices all year around.