> The problem with every discussion around this issue is that there are other statements on Sure, but we're not talking about those other ones. Dismissing good

> The problem with every discussion around this issue is that there are other statements on Sure, but we're not talking about those other ones. Dismissing good faith initiatives as marketing ploys because there are bad faith initiatives is functionally no different than just shrugging and walking away. Of course OpenAI et. al. will try to influence the good faith discussions: that's a great reason to champion the ones with a bunch of good faith actors who stand a chance of holding the industry and policy makers to task. Waiting around for some group of experts that has enough clout to do something, but by policy excludes the industry itself and starry-eyed shithead "journalists" trying to ride the wave of the next big thing will yield nothing. This is a great example of perfect being the enemy of good.