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> Ukraine was preparing a war to take back donbas It's sad that there's absolutely zero evidence of that except for Kremlin's justification for its own invasio
by The_Colonel 3y ago
> Ukraine was preparing a war to take back donbas
It's sad that there's absolutely zero evidence of that except for Kremlin's justification for its own invasion. Isn't this excuse as old as war? "we had to invade, otherwise they would invade us".
> This was just before russia entered the war.
Well, exactly. Russia was looking for casus beli. There were reports of increased separatist shelling, they likely wanted to provoke Ukraine into moving first, very similar playbook to 2008 Georgian war.
- aziaziazi 3y ago> there's absolutely zero evidence of that OP linked a Reuters post citing OSCE numbers. This organisation includes most European countries, US and Russia among others. If we can’t listen to est neither to west, who should we listen ? You, my Colonel ?
- The_Colonel 3y agoWell, have you read the article? It just states that the intensity of shelling intensified, which is not very surprising 5 days before the invasion? The article did not mention who intensified the shelling in the first place, but states that the only civilian casualty happened on the Kyiv government controlled territory. Please explain to me, how is this proof that Ukraine wanted to invade.
- aziaziazi 3y agoShelling 5 days before an invasion reads to me: “shelling is the (or a) cause of the invasion”, not “invasion is the cause of the precedent shelling”. Like “causality happens before consequence”. However I’m far from being familiar with politico-military strategies and am here to learn. Please accept my excuse for the cynical tone of my precedent message.
- The_Colonel 3y agoThen how is it possible that Russians started the build up of forces around Ukrainian borders months before this increased rate of shelling? https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/russia-ukraine-invasion/2021/12/03/98a3760e-546b-11ec-8769-2f4ecdf7a2ad_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/russia-ukra...