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You're making a huge assumption with the "unpaid free time" part of this. A lot of Rust development is driven by corporations who are directly paying engineers

by tedivm 3y ago

You're making a huge assumption with the "unpaid free time" part of this. A lot of Rust development is driven by corporations who are directly paying engineers to work on it, and the rust foundation has a lot of money coming in via donations (literally millions).

bluGill 3y ago
Some of the rust political decisions are concerning though. I can see the companies giving that money switching to someone else to avoid that politics. Time will tell, first the replacement needs to stick around for a while and prove to be a viable fork, which is hard without the donations.
- cies 3y ago
  When did a language fork work without new goals?
  - bluGill 3y ago
    Jenkins forked Hudson years ago. OpenBSD forked from NetBSD. Many linux distributions are forks of some other. I can't think of any language, but the idea that a fork can work has a long successful history. (And a large history of failure)
    - cies 3y ago
      I know about many successful fork. But forking a language (like including the compiler and the lang spec), never seen that work out.
      - bluGill 3y ago
        C forked Algo. (and many others) ADA forked Pascal (modula? - another fork of Pascal). C++ forked C and Simula. D forked C++. Objective C forked C and gcc. (eventually folded back)
        Woodi 3y ago
        Do any of that languages had some Hollywood level bullshit about language name ? Mozilla isn't open source first fundation(?), forking of their stuff is urgent.
MuffinFlavored 3y ago
> A lot of Rust development is driven by corporations who are directly paying engineers to work on it, and the rust foundation has a lot of money coming in via donations (literally millions). Then why are people set up about the trademark/copyright/license issue?
- dralley 3y ago
  >Then why are people set up about the trademark/copyright/license issue? For the same reason people go ballistic over myriad other trivial things (e.g. Twitter), they find drama entertaining and outrage is effortless and consequence free (for them). I'm not thrilled with the trademark changes myself but forking because they posted a draft and asked for comment is absolutely dumb as heck and not productive. It just adds to the drama.
  - MuffinFlavored 3y ago
    it’s odd how these types of people seem to be drawn to being open source contributors it’s like their personality draws them to it? it seems more prominent in this community

by tedivm 3y ago

bluGill 3y ago

Some of the rust political decisions are concerning though. I can see the companies giving that money switching to someone else to avoid that politics. Time will tell, first the replacement needs to stick around for a while and prove to be a viable fork, which is hard without the donations.

cies 3y ago
When did a language fork work without new goals?
- bluGill 3y ago
  Jenkins forked Hudson years ago. OpenBSD forked from NetBSD. Many linux distributions are forks of some other. I can't think of any language, but the idea that a fork can work has a long successful history. (And a large history of failure)
  - cies 3y ago
    I know about many successful fork. But forking a language (like including the compiler and the lang spec), never seen that work out.
    - bluGill 3y ago
      C forked Algo. (and many others) ADA forked Pascal (modula? - another fork of Pascal). C++ forked C and Simula. D forked C++. Objective C forked C and gcc. (eventually folded back)
      - Woodi 3y ago
        Do any of that languages had some Hollywood level bullshit about language name ? Mozilla isn't open source first fundation(?), forking of their stuff is urgent.

MuffinFlavored 3y ago

> A lot of Rust development is driven by corporations who are directly paying engineers to work on it, and the rust foundation has a lot of money coming in via donations (literally millions). Then why are people set up about the trademark/copyright/license issue?

dralley 3y ago
>Then why are people set up about the trademark/copyright/license issue? For the same reason people go ballistic over myriad other trivial things (e.g. Twitter), they find drama entertaining and outrage is effortless and consequence free (for them). I'm not thrilled with the trademark changes myself but forking because they posted a draft and asked for comment is absolutely dumb as heck and not productive. It just adds to the drama.
- MuffinFlavored 3y ago
  it’s odd how these types of people seem to be drawn to being open source contributors it’s like their personality draws them to it? it seems more prominent in this community