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> Most people in Group Two are already hospitalized or in some sort of care setting. No. Disabled and sick people are all around you. This is why you should ha

> Most people in Group Two are already hospitalized or in some sort of care setting. No. Disabled and sick people are all around you. This is why you should have been taught in your CPR class to check for a medical ID tag that might, for example, say that the person doesn't want to be resuscitated. Also just because someone is disabled doesn't necessarily mean they don't want CPR. That's their choice and not yours, just respect it. Denying disabled people CPR without consent during the pandemic in the UK and Canada did significant damage to public education around when you might want not want CPR. I learned CPR on a Wilderness First Responder course. They keep adding more medical training because the wilderness is increasingly accessible to disabled and sick people. The sidewalk in the middle of civilization is much easier to get to than that. Edit: This is a reason however to continue CPR longer in certain cases like drowning (especially in cold water) and lightning strikes.

scythe 3y ago
>Disabled and sick people are all around you. You are conflating "disabled" with "dying". A deaf person will have a decent chance of coming back to normal if they survive CPR. An 85-year-old with heart disease will most likely not. The parent was a little vague, but if you read the article the context is clear.
- iudqnolq 3y ago
  Do you believe most 85-year-olds with heart disease are in a hospital and not in public? Edit: Furthermore the person I replied two defined group 1 as "otherwise healthy". So I think it's fair for me to have inferred they meant what they said and their only other group includes "sick and very sick" people. Edit2: Realize I had a significant typo. My post was phrased as a statement and not a question. I added the "Do [original]?"
  - cstrahan 3y ago
    Can’t you be both deaf and healthy? Or missing a leg and healthy? I don’t see how “disabled” implies “not otherwise healthy”. I often run into people who are deaf, or an amputee, or have type 1 diabetes, etc, but I rarely come across someone that (to my knowledge) has a substantial illness. But I live in a city where I very, very rarely run into someone much over 40 (at that point they are likely to have been married and had children, and the thing nearly everyone does here is move into the suburbs once they’re married with children). I suspect that where you live makes a huge impact on whether or not you’re surrounded by unhealthy/ill people.
    - iudqnolq 3y ago
      You may not run into people over 40. But most people over 40 absolutely live in ordinary communities. The original point I replied to suggested everyone at a high risk for bad CPR outcomes is in a hospital. Now we're talking about suburbs.
bb611 3y ago
I think your comment isn't being well received because it represents fairly stark national differences. In the US, a DNR is primarily for a medical setting with staff who've already identified you and confirmed its veracity. Withdrawing medical care creates massive liability so providers are going to make sure they got it right before stopping. Lay people do not have the knowledge to make these kinds of decisions. I've never been taught to even check for a bracelet during any of my CPR trainings, and my wife who's been an EMT for 10 years tells me they will still run the code after being presented a DNR until until they receive a clear confirmation from their medical director to cease.
- iudqnolq 3y ago
  I'm from the US. I've definitely heard US EMTs talk about ignoring DNRs. I think that's pretty unethical. I was taught in the US to check for a medical ID tag. You've already covered the locations for one bracelet and a necklace during your pulse check. You'll want to know if your patient, for example, caries an EpiPen for a serious allergy. DNRs are underutilized in the US. As this article points out CPR might not be worth it even if you aren't in hospice care. A DNR would invalidate implied consent so technically doing CPR after seing a DNR tag would be assault.

scythe 3y ago

>Disabled and sick people are all around you. You are conflating "disabled" with "dying". A deaf person will have a decent chance of coming back to normal if they survive CPR. An 85-year-old with heart disease will most likely not. The parent was a little vague, but if you read the article the context is clear.

iudqnolq 3y ago
Do you believe most 85-year-olds with heart disease are in a hospital and not in public? Edit: Furthermore the person I replied two defined group 1 as "otherwise healthy". So I think it's fair for me to have inferred they meant what they said and their only other group includes "sick and very sick" people. Edit2: Realize I had a significant typo. My post was phrased as a statement and not a question. I added the "Do [original]?"
- cstrahan 3y ago
  Can’t you be both deaf and healthy? Or missing a leg and healthy? I don’t see how “disabled” implies “not otherwise healthy”. I often run into people who are deaf, or an amputee, or have type 1 diabetes, etc, but I rarely come across someone that (to my knowledge) has a substantial illness. But I live in a city where I very, very rarely run into someone much over 40 (at that point they are likely to have been married and had children, and the thing nearly everyone does here is move into the suburbs once they’re married with children). I suspect that where you live makes a huge impact on whether or not you’re surrounded by unhealthy/ill people.
  - iudqnolq 3y ago
    You may not run into people over 40. But most people over 40 absolutely live in ordinary communities. The original point I replied to suggested everyone at a high risk for bad CPR outcomes is in a hospital. Now we're talking about suburbs.

bb611 3y ago

I think your comment isn't being well received because it represents fairly stark national differences. In the US, a DNR is primarily for a medical setting with staff who've already identified you and confirmed its veracity. Withdrawing medical care creates massive liability so providers are going to make sure they got it right before stopping. Lay people do not have the knowledge to make these kinds of decisions. I've never been taught to even check for a bracelet during any of my CPR trainings, and my wife who's been an EMT for 10 years tells me they will still run the code after being presented a DNR until until they receive a clear confirmation from their medical director to cease.

iudqnolq 3y ago
I'm from the US. I've definitely heard US EMTs talk about ignoring DNRs. I think that's pretty unethical. I was taught in the US to check for a medical ID tag. You've already covered the locations for one bracelet and a necklace during your pulse check. You'll want to know if your patient, for example, caries an EpiPen for a serious allergy. DNRs are underutilized in the US. As this article points out CPR might not be worth it even if you aren't in hospice care. A DNR would invalidate implied consent so technically doing CPR after seing a DNR tag would be assault.