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What common, popular and highly used technology hasn't radically changed in the last decade? Back in 2015, $JOB was evaluating upgrading Java 6 to Java 7 or 8.

What common, popular and highly used technology hasn't radically changed in the last decade? Back in 2015, $JOB was evaluating upgrading Java 6 to Java 7 or 8. What is now? 20? I last touched php in 2012, which was 5.4 or 5.5 I think. People were still arguing that Laravel couldn't replace CodeIgnitor, or that we should stick with Symphony or Zend. Change is the only constant. In that respect, React has been relatively sane.

karaterobot 3y ago
As you know, Java and PHP are languages. React is just a framework, and by design not a particularly robust one on its own. It just provides a front end, everything else has to be plugged in separately, learned, maintained, and ultimately cast aside and forgotten separately. If you're a React developer, you'll have noticed that Javascript itself has changed a lot in ten years. The state management library your company uses has probably changed too. Compared to ten years ago, you're now writing fully-typed JS with Typescript. The additional libraries for authentication and persistence, and so on, have all changed as well. You may be using a graph-based database now. You may have a different JS runtime on the server. All of your tooling has probably changed, as has your IDE. Whether React itself has or has not changed more than other frameworks, I can't say. But, I'd bet the stack used by the average front end developer has. Please recall that the original comment we're both talking about was referring to complaints about how much the front end has changed, with React only being the context of the comment, and not the sole cause of the complaint.
- yazaddaruvala 3y ago
  > As you know, Java and PHP are languages. React is just a framework, Ok then, what about the Spring .xml to .java migration? What about the Struts -> Struts2 -> SpringMVC -> SpringWebapp migrations. It seems an unfair criticism of React.
  - lmm 3y ago
    > Ok then, what about the Spring .xml to .java migration? What about the Struts -> Struts2 -> SpringMVC -> SpringWebapp migrations. When I started my first programming job 14 years ago xml was already not recommended and SpringMVC was already the way of doing things. So that's quite a bit stabler and slower than React.
lmm 3y ago
> Back in 2015, $JOB was evaluating upgrading Java 6 to Java 7 or 8. What is now? 20? And how much have you had to rewrite or replace going from 8 to 20? Very little, right?
- SenHeng 3y ago
  Just as much as I had to rewrite anything in React. We stayed with Redux with Context became available. We stayed with classes when Hooks was released.
  - lmm 3y ago
    Are you still using Redux and classes? How's that working out for you?
megalord 3y ago
Django is just one example. There wasn't major change for how the whole application is being written

karaterobot 3y ago

As you know, Java and PHP are languages. React is just a framework, and by design not a particularly robust one on its own. It just provides a front end, everything else has to be plugged in separately, learned, maintained, and ultimately cast aside and forgotten separately. If you're a React developer, you'll have noticed that Javascript itself has changed a lot in ten years. The state management library your company uses has probably changed too. Compared to ten years ago, you're now writing fully-typed JS with Typescript. The additional libraries for authentication and persistence, and so on, have all changed as well. You may be using a graph-based database now. You may have a different JS runtime on the server. All of your tooling has probably changed, as has your IDE. Whether React itself has or has not changed more than other frameworks, I can't say. But, I'd bet the stack used by the average front end developer has. Please recall that the original comment we're both talking about was referring to complaints about how much the front end has changed, with React only being the context of the comment, and not the sole cause of the complaint.

yazaddaruvala 3y ago
> As you know, Java and PHP are languages. React is just a framework, Ok then, what about the Spring .xml to .java migration? What about the Struts -> Struts2 -> SpringMVC -> SpringWebapp migrations. It seems an unfair criticism of React.
- lmm 3y ago
  > Ok then, what about the Spring .xml to .java migration? What about the Struts -> Struts2 -> SpringMVC -> SpringWebapp migrations. When I started my first programming job 14 years ago xml was already not recommended and SpringMVC was already the way of doing things. So that's quite a bit stabler and slower than React.

lmm 3y ago

> Back in 2015, $JOB was evaluating upgrading Java 6 to Java 7 or 8. What is now? 20? And how much have you had to rewrite or replace going from 8 to 20? Very little, right?

SenHeng 3y ago
Just as much as I had to rewrite anything in React. We stayed with Redux with Context became available. We stayed with classes when Hooks was released.
- lmm 3y ago
  Are you still using Redux and classes? How's that working out for you?

megalord 3y ago

Django is just one example. There wasn't major change for how the whole application is being written