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Per the stylebooks of the New York Times, Reuters, the Associated Press, and others [1], whether one is an immigrant or minority is only pertinent in heartwarmi

Per the stylebooks of the New York Times, Reuters, the Associated Press, and others [1], whether one is an immigrant or minority is only pertinent in heartwarming stories such as this. Quoting directly from the New York Times Manual of Style and Usage, 2015 Edition [2]: race should be cited only when it is pertinent and its pertinence is clear to the reader. The race of a victim of a hate crime or the subject of a police search is clearly germane, an essential part of the person’s description. But the race of a person convicted of a crime is not pertinent unless the case has racial overtones; if it does, the overtones should be explained. [1] https://sincerity.net/stylebooks/ https://sincerity.net/stylebooks/ [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_York_Times_Manual_of_Style_and_Usage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_York_Times_Manual_of_S...

eesmith 3y ago
Your summary seems wrong. At least, I don't usually regard being "the subject of a police search" as a heartwarming topic. The 1999 edition uses the same definition. https://archive.org/details/newyorktimesmanu00sieg_0/page/280/mode/2up?q=race https://archive.org/details/newyorktimesmanu00sieg_0/page/28... The 1976 edition says (in the entry for "Negro"): "The race of a person figuring in the news should be specified only if it is truly pertinent. The same stricture applies to ethnic and religious identifications." - https://archive.org/details/newyorktimesmanu00jord/page/136/mode/2up?q=race https://archive.org/details/newyorktimesmanu00jord/page/136/... . The entry for "race of a person in the news" is very similar - https://archive.org/details/newyorktimesmanu00jord/page/172/mode/2up?q=race https://archive.org/details/newyorktimesmanu00jord/page/172/... It's been about the same description for decades. So your point in bringing it up is .. what, exactly?
- NoRelToEmber 3y ago
  > Your summary seems wrong. At least, I don't usually regard being "the subject of a police search" as a heartwarming topic. Let's say heartwarming or sympathetic, then. You are correct, just "heartwarming" doesn't cover all the stories where it is permitted to mention race. > It's been about the same description for decades. Correct. I did not mean to imply otherwise, the 2015 style guide just happens to be the only I have access to.
  - eesmith 3y ago
    So your point in bringing it up is .. what, exactly? That for the last 50 years race was only brought up in newspaper articles when it was "heartwarming or sympathetic"? That's hardly believable.
    - NoRelToEmber 3y ago
      You are correct - they frequently do not follow their style guides: https://freebeacon.com/media/yes-the-media-bury-the-race-of-murderers-if-theyre-not-white/ https://freebeacon.com/media/yes-the-media-bury-the-race-of-...
      - eesmith 3y ago
        You've got a massive axe to grind and I don't want to be your whetstone.

eesmith 3y ago

Your summary seems wrong. At least, I don't usually regard being "the subject of a police search" as a heartwarming topic. The 1999 edition uses the same definition. https://archive.org/details/newyorktimesmanu00sieg_0/page/280/mode/2up?q=race https://archive.org/details/newyorktimesmanu00sieg_0/page/28... The 1976 edition says (in the entry for "Negro"): "The race of a person figuring in the news should be specified only if it is truly pertinent. The same stricture applies to ethnic and religious identifications." - https://archive.org/details/newyorktimesmanu00jord/page/136/mode/2up?q=race https://archive.org/details/newyorktimesmanu00jord/page/136/... . The entry for "race of a person in the news" is very similar - https://archive.org/details/newyorktimesmanu00jord/page/172/mode/2up?q=race https://archive.org/details/newyorktimesmanu00jord/page/172/... It's been about the same description for decades. So your point in bringing it up is .. what, exactly?

NoRelToEmber 3y ago
> Your summary seems wrong. At least, I don't usually regard being "the subject of a police search" as a heartwarming topic. Let's say heartwarming or sympathetic, then. You are correct, just "heartwarming" doesn't cover all the stories where it is permitted to mention race. > It's been about the same description for decades. Correct. I did not mean to imply otherwise, the 2015 style guide just happens to be the only I have access to.
- eesmith 3y ago
  So your point in bringing it up is .. what, exactly? That for the last 50 years race was only brought up in newspaper articles when it was "heartwarming or sympathetic"? That's hardly believable.
  - NoRelToEmber 3y ago
    You are correct - they frequently do not follow their style guides: https://freebeacon.com/media/yes-the-media-bury-the-race-of-murderers-if-theyre-not-white/ https://freebeacon.com/media/yes-the-media-bury-the-race-of-...
    - eesmith 3y ago
      You've got a massive axe to grind and I don't want to be your whetstone.