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> A good person to follow on real AI safety is Emily M. Bender (professor of computer linguistics at University of Washington): https://mstdn.social/@emilymbend

> A good person to follow on real AI safety is Emily M. Bender (professor of computer linguistics at University of Washington): https://mstdn.social/@emilymbender@dair-community.social https://mstdn.social/@emilymbender@dair-community.social - Pronouns - "AI bros" - "mansplaining" - "extinction from capitalism" - "white supremacy" - "one old white guy" (referring to Geoffrey Hinton) Yeah... I think I will pass.

rcpt 3y ago
I think "pronouns" is ok but, yeah, "AI bros" is enough to get a pass from me to. Holier-than-thou name calling is still name calling.
- Al0neStar 3y ago
  There are a lot of AI-bros on twitter.
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  - mitthrowaway2 3y ago
    Do they self-identify as AI bros? Or are you just choosing to call them that?
brookst 3y ago
Odd that you lump a person's choice of their own pronouns into a legitimate complaint that all she seems to have is prejudice and ad hominems.
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- olalonde 3y ago
  I have no issue with her choice of pronouns. I just find it odd that she states them when ~100% of the population would infer them correctly from her name Emily (and picture). My guess is she put them there for ideological signaling.
  - brookst 3y ago
    > My guess is she put them there for ideological signaling. Yes, and you attacking her for that choice is also ideological signaling. This isn't a case where one choice is totally devoid of signal and the other is pejorative-of-the-day. Many people believe that using normative pronouns makes those who use different pronouns more comfortable. They may be right, wrong, misguided, whatever. But it's a well-meaning and harmless act, and extremely strange to mention in the same breath as overt racism.
  - mrtranscendence 3y ago
    This is unnecessarily cynical. Why should people who are androgynous or trans be the only ones who state pronouns? By creating a norm around it we can improve their comfort at extremely minimal cost to ourselves.
    - olalonde 3y ago
      I disagree, but HN is probably not the right place for this kind of debate. Also, it seems that you don't follow your own recommendation (on HN at least).
    - hucgyuo 3y ago
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boredumb 3y ago
Reads like a caricature of the people leading these causes on AI safety. Folks that are obsessed with the current moral panic to the extent that they will never let a moment go by without injecting their ideology. These people should not be around anything resembling AI safety or "ethics".
hackermatic 3y ago
It sounds like you're making an ad hominem about her ad hominems.
- olalonde 3y ago
  I might look past the fact that she was sexist/racist if the topic of interest wasn't ethics. But since it is, I'd say those quoted tweets are pretty relevant.

rcpt 3y ago

I think "pronouns" is ok but, yeah, "AI bros" is enough to get a pass from me to. Holier-than-thou name calling is still name calling.

Al0neStar 3y ago
There are a lot of AI-bros on twitter.
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- mitthrowaway2 3y ago
  Do they self-identify as AI bros? Or are you just choosing to call them that?

brookst 3y ago

Odd that you lump a person's choice of their own pronouns into a legitimate complaint that all she seems to have is prejudice and ad hominems.

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olalonde 3y ago
I have no issue with her choice of pronouns. I just find it odd that she states them when ~100% of the population would infer them correctly from her name Emily (and picture). My guess is she put them there for ideological signaling.
- brookst 3y ago
  > My guess is she put them there for ideological signaling. Yes, and you attacking her for that choice is also ideological signaling. This isn't a case where one choice is totally devoid of signal and the other is pejorative-of-the-day. Many people believe that using normative pronouns makes those who use different pronouns more comfortable. They may be right, wrong, misguided, whatever. But it's a well-meaning and harmless act, and extremely strange to mention in the same breath as overt racism.
- mrtranscendence 3y ago
  This is unnecessarily cynical. Why should people who are androgynous or trans be the only ones who state pronouns? By creating a norm around it we can improve their comfort at extremely minimal cost to ourselves.
  - olalonde 3y ago
    I disagree, but HN is probably not the right place for this kind of debate. Also, it seems that you don't follow your own recommendation (on HN at least).
  - hucgyuo 3y ago
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boredumb 3y ago

Reads like a caricature of the people leading these causes on AI safety. Folks that are obsessed with the current moral panic to the extent that they will never let a moment go by without injecting their ideology. These people should not be around anything resembling AI safety or "ethics".

hackermatic 3y ago

It sounds like you're making an ad hominem about her ad hominems.

olalonde 3y ago
I might look past the fact that she was sexist/racist if the topic of interest wasn't ethics. But since it is, I'd say those quoted tweets are pretty relevant.