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Same as calling something a Japanese knockoff 60 years ago, or a Chinese knockoff today. Or "dollar-store leftover", or "generic supermarket brand" Humans lik

Same as calling something a Japanese knockoff 60 years ago, or a Chinese knockoff today. Or "dollar-store leftover", or "generic supermarket brand" Humans like to insult by comparing the target to something perceived to be inferior. AI is perceived to be inferior humans for most tasks, so we can be prejudice against AI (and without the discrimination societal pushback.) Wait till AI catches up, then "a Japanese knockoff" becomes a complement. Or AI becomes a societal group and you become a social pariah if you use their name in a mean-spirited way.

bombcar 3y ago
You have to combine them - "this dollar-store discount-AI knockoff".
Wiki39366 3y ago
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tivert 3y ago
> Humans like to insult by comparing the target to something perceived to be inferior. AI is perceived to be inferior humans for most tasks, so we can be prejudice against AI (and without the discrimination societal pushback.) AI is inferior for most tasks, the "perception" is of that reality (e.g. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/27/nyregion/avianca-airline-lawsuit-chatgpt.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/27/nyregion/avianca-airline-...). Software engineers love their technology, and often get defensive on its behalf and their sci-fi hopes for it. > Wait till AI catches up, then "a Japanese knockoff" becomes a complement. I hope for your and my sake it doesn't, because the best outcome of that is most people become useless and waste away on welfare. Because not only will their labor be irreverent, their cultural production will be too. The more likely outcome is economic immiseration for all those who have had their labor devalued, because that's what our social system is designed to create in those kinds of circumstances. And there's little hope that social system will chance for the better: if "AI" is effective enough that it "becomes a complement," it will be a powerful instrument of social control on behalf of the powers-that-be, and far more useful to them than to any insurgent.
- hatenberg 3y ago
  Instead of grasping at a snapshot in time, declaring loudly "AI is inferior", one should humble at the trendline of capability gain in the last few years and inform their actions and attide by that, it would be fastly more productive and helpful in facing what is about to come.
  - tivert 3y ago
    > Instead of grasping at a snapshot in time, declaring loudly "AI is inferior", one should humble at the trendline of capability gain in the last few years and inform their actions and attide by that, it would be fastly more productive and helpful in facing what is about to come. Why? Right now labeling something "AI" is a great way to call it crap (specifically, a certain kind of crap). Why give that up in deference to a technological fantasy? > one should humble at the trendline of capability gain in the last few years Trendlines do not tell the future. If they did, we'd either all be broke or fantastically wealthy (depending how the stock market has done recently). "Trendlines of AI capability" have mislead people before. How do you know this time is different?

bombcar 3y ago

You have to combine them - "this dollar-store discount-AI knockoff".

Wiki39366 3y ago

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tivert 3y ago

> Humans like to insult by comparing the target to something perceived to be inferior. AI is perceived to be inferior humans for most tasks, so we can be prejudice against AI (and without the discrimination societal pushback.) AI is inferior for most tasks, the "perception" is of that reality (e.g. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/27/nyregion/avianca-airline-lawsuit-chatgpt.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/27/nyregion/avianca-airline-...). Software engineers love their technology, and often get defensive on its behalf and their sci-fi hopes for it. > Wait till AI catches up, then "a Japanese knockoff" becomes a complement. I hope for your and my sake it doesn't, because the best outcome of that is most people become useless and waste away on welfare. Because not only will their labor be irreverent, their cultural production will be too. The more likely outcome is economic immiseration for all those who have had their labor devalued, because that's what our social system is designed to create in those kinds of circumstances. And there's little hope that social system will chance for the better: if "AI" is effective enough that it "becomes a complement," it will be a powerful instrument of social control on behalf of the powers-that-be, and far more useful to them than to any insurgent.

hatenberg 3y ago
Instead of grasping at a snapshot in time, declaring loudly "AI is inferior", one should humble at the trendline of capability gain in the last few years and inform their actions and attide by that, it would be fastly more productive and helpful in facing what is about to come.
- tivert 3y ago
  > Instead of grasping at a snapshot in time, declaring loudly "AI is inferior", one should humble at the trendline of capability gain in the last few years and inform their actions and attide by that, it would be fastly more productive and helpful in facing what is about to come. Why? Right now labeling something "AI" is a great way to call it crap (specifically, a certain kind of crap). Why give that up in deference to a technological fantasy? > one should humble at the trendline of capability gain in the last few years Trendlines do not tell the future. If they did, we'd either all be broke or fantastically wealthy (depending how the stock market has done recently). "Trendlines of AI capability" have mislead people before. How do you know this time is different?