I think the ATF has a much higher incident rate of over-reach then the FBI, the FBI tends to create thier own crimes by "infiltrating" non-violent groups, then

I think the ATF has a much higher incident rate of over-reach then the FBI, the FBI tends to create thier own crimes by "infiltrating" non-violent groups, then making them into extremist, providing them with a plan for a crime, then arresting them before they carry out the FBI informants plan... ATF however tends to just rewrite regulation based on political goals, and then use their new regulations to make people felon's then respond to these new felons with extreme violence. Ruby Ridge, Waco, and many other famous cases like them were all started by the incompetent ATF not FBI. ATF routinely violates the civil rights of citizens and an business owners, openly and with out remorse. Personally I think Waco would have turned out far differently if the FBI was the original agency going after them. the FBI only came in after the ATF royally fucked everything up, as usual