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What specific methods do you disapprove of in their handling of this child rapist cult?

by beebmam 3y ago

SoftTalker 3y ago
Tanks? Setting the place on fire with people inside?
- llamaimperative 3y ago
  The cause of the fire was thoroughly investigated and found that the child-rapist doomsday death cult brought lit the fires themselves. You know, as death cults tend to do. It could totally be possible that 1) death cult did not have death-cult level convictions AND 2) FBI felt like burning a bunch of children alive AND 3) no one has offered good evidence of this Or it's just a really gnarly situation that did indeed need to be handled by someone and came out to a pretty bad outcome still. Tanks sound ridiculous until you see they had grenade launchers, grenades, several fully automatic rifles, and 200,000 rounds of ammunition for 136 firearms.
  - phpisthebest 3y ago
    Yes the FBI investigated themselves and found they did nothing wrong... ::shocked pikachu face:: That said, even your telling is not the official narrative, as the official narrative was inconclusive as to the cause which the FBI claims was either intentional or accidental by people in the building. Of course there is no mention of them shooting massive amounts amounts of highly flammable gas into the building, with the full knowledge their primary heat source was open flame heaters....
    - llamaimperative 3y ago
      Doomsday cult does a doomsday... or FBI and ATF randomly choose to burn dozens of children alive... Davidians themselves have said the fires were set purposely. There is audio of them prepping fires to burn purposely. Independent experts have separately verified fires started in 3 separate locations with accelerants. Anyway, the Davidians need not have started the fire for the initial claim, that FBI/ATF started the fire "as a tactic" to be completely and utterly wrong. Divorced from reality. Edit: And no, they did not find FBI/ATF did nothing wrong. This was in fact a huge reckoning for both entities. But no, they did not purposely start the fires.
  - mwbajor 3y ago
    Did they actually find the AR-15s with illegal modifications? If I remember correctly, the FBI said they were "destroyed in the fire" and the witness that said they heard automatic gunfire from the compound which kicked the whole thing off either retracted their statement or was found to be unreliable. I don't remember exactly, there were a few of these in the 90s and I don't remember anyone really trusting any of the investigations. One of the last times this country agreed on something.
    - llamaimperative 3y ago
      Yes they did and Davidians also testified that they were modifying them > Davidian Donald Bunds recounted how Koresh ordered him to buy a lathe and milling machine; Bunds said he then learned to use them to help convert 90 to 100 assault rifles to automatic weapons in 1992. Bunds and several other Davidians testified that Koresh issued every male follower an automatic assault rifle and multiple magazines weeks before the ATF raid… at least 48 illegal machine guns were recovered from the burnt compound. https://www.dallasnews.com/news/crime/2018/02/27/breaking-through-the-myths-surrounding-the-1993-branch-davidian-raid/?outputType=amp https://www.dallasnews.com/news/crime/2018/02/27/breaking-th...
    - sillystuff 3y ago
      Per the official reports, they did find several fully automatic weapons, but the report does not list all weapons/ammunition found in a single list, so the following is a subset of firearms/ammunition found: > ...by May 3 the Texas Rangers had recovered 305 firearms from the compound, and approximately 1.9 million rounds of "cooked off" or spent ammunition. Among the firearms found were at least 20 fully automatic AK-47 assault rifles; at least 12 fully automatic AR-15 assault rifles; at least two .50 caliber semi-automatic rifles; and anti-tank armor-piercing ammunition. https://web.archive.org/web/20170511015809/https://www.justice.gov/publications/waco/report-deputy-attorney-general-events-waco-texas-aftermath-april-19-fire https://web.archive.org/web/20170511015809/https://www.justi...
phpisthebest 3y ago
Entire volumes of books have been written about how the ATF screwed up everything in that case... I am not going to write an entire essay. Read some books on the subject
xhkkffbf 3y ago
Just wait until people go into town and arrest them one by one. That's one solution.
- ethanbond 3y ago
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What specific methods do you disapprove of in their handling of this child rapist cult?

SoftTalker 3y ago

Tanks? Setting the place on fire with people inside?

llamaimperative 3y ago
The cause of the fire was thoroughly investigated and found that the child-rapist doomsday death cult brought lit the fires themselves. You know, as death cults tend to do. It could totally be possible that 1) death cult did not have death-cult level convictions AND 2) FBI felt like burning a bunch of children alive AND 3) no one has offered good evidence of this Or it's just a really gnarly situation that did indeed need to be handled by someone and came out to a pretty bad outcome still. Tanks sound ridiculous until you see they had grenade launchers, grenades, several fully automatic rifles, and 200,000 rounds of ammunition for 136 firearms.
- phpisthebest 3y ago
  Yes the FBI investigated themselves and found they did nothing wrong... ::shocked pikachu face:: That said, even your telling is not the official narrative, as the official narrative was inconclusive as to the cause which the FBI claims was either intentional or accidental by people in the building. Of course there is no mention of them shooting massive amounts amounts of highly flammable gas into the building, with the full knowledge their primary heat source was open flame heaters....
  - llamaimperative 3y ago
    Doomsday cult does a doomsday... or FBI and ATF randomly choose to burn dozens of children alive... Davidians themselves have said the fires were set purposely. There is audio of them prepping fires to burn purposely. Independent experts have separately verified fires started in 3 separate locations with accelerants. Anyway, the Davidians need not have started the fire for the initial claim, that FBI/ATF started the fire "as a tactic" to be completely and utterly wrong. Divorced from reality. Edit: And no, they did not find FBI/ATF did nothing wrong. This was in fact a huge reckoning for both entities. But no, they did not purposely start the fires.
- mwbajor 3y ago
  Did they actually find the AR-15s with illegal modifications? If I remember correctly, the FBI said they were "destroyed in the fire" and the witness that said they heard automatic gunfire from the compound which kicked the whole thing off either retracted their statement or was found to be unreliable. I don't remember exactly, there were a few of these in the 90s and I don't remember anyone really trusting any of the investigations. One of the last times this country agreed on something.
  - llamaimperative 3y ago
    Yes they did and Davidians also testified that they were modifying them > Davidian Donald Bunds recounted how Koresh ordered him to buy a lathe and milling machine; Bunds said he then learned to use them to help convert 90 to 100 assault rifles to automatic weapons in 1992. Bunds and several other Davidians testified that Koresh issued every male follower an automatic assault rifle and multiple magazines weeks before the ATF raid… at least 48 illegal machine guns were recovered from the burnt compound. https://www.dallasnews.com/news/crime/2018/02/27/breaking-through-the-myths-surrounding-the-1993-branch-davidian-raid/?outputType=amp https://www.dallasnews.com/news/crime/2018/02/27/breaking-th...
  - sillystuff 3y ago
    Per the official reports, they did find several fully automatic weapons, but the report does not list all weapons/ammunition found in a single list, so the following is a subset of firearms/ammunition found: > ...by May 3 the Texas Rangers had recovered 305 firearms from the compound, and approximately 1.9 million rounds of "cooked off" or spent ammunition. Among the firearms found were at least 20 fully automatic AK-47 assault rifles; at least 12 fully automatic AR-15 assault rifles; at least two .50 caliber semi-automatic rifles; and anti-tank armor-piercing ammunition. https://web.archive.org/web/20170511015809/https://www.justice.gov/publications/waco/report-deputy-attorney-general-events-waco-texas-aftermath-april-19-fire https://web.archive.org/web/20170511015809/https://www.justi...

phpisthebest 3y ago

Entire volumes of books have been written about how the ATF screwed up everything in that case... I am not going to write an entire essay. Read some books on the subject

xhkkffbf 3y ago

Just wait until people go into town and arrest them one by one. That's one solution.

ethanbond 3y ago
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