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CrabLang doesn't want to influence Rust stakeholders' decisions. They 100% support all the decisions the Rust Project made. CrabLang was created to get people

CrabLang doesn't want to influence Rust stakeholders' decisions. They 100% support all the decisions the Rust Project made. CrabLang was created to get people to out themselves who hate Rust and want to see it fail. Anyways... > The ultimate objective is to influence Rust stakeholders' decisions. That's not what this fork says is the objective. https://crablang.org/ https://crablang.org/ > We simply want to use [Rust] while retaining the ability to create content and promote its name, logo, and other assets however we please, without the limitations imposed by a trademark policy. The Trademark Policy https://foundation.rust-lang.org/policies/logo-policy-and-media-guide/#trademark-policy https://foundation.rust-lang.org/policies/logo-policy-and-me... > The most basic rule is that the Rust trademarks cannot be used in ways that appear (to a casual observer) official, affiliated, or endorsed by the Rust project or Rust Foundation, unless you have written permission from the Rust Foundation. So, from what I gather, CrabLang opposes this. In which case, CrabLang wanted to use the Rust trademarks to deceive people into thinking it's endorsed by the project and foundation. Which is an odd stance to take, because that's them saying they want people to use CrabLang to deceive people into thinking CrabLang endorses things it does not. ;)

wccrawford 3y ago
>In which case, CrabLang wanted to use the Rust trademarks to deceive people into thinking it's endorsed by the project and foundation. Instead, I see their statement as a visceral reaction to some legal threat they received that they don't think was valid. They probably weren't trying to deceive anyone, they just wanted to name their project "Rust Widget" or something and don't like that they are open to legal action from that because someone might think that's an official Rust project, when it's not... Even if most people would know it's not. I'm not privy to any information in this debate, I just don't support your interpretation of their words. I think mine is a more charitable interpretation until further evidence of their actual meaning comes to light.
- jasonlotito 3y ago
  > they just wanted to name their project "Rust Widget" That's already explicitly covered by their trademark policy. > Using the Rust trademarks in the names of non-commercial products like RustPostgres or Rustymine, or in the name of code repositories in e.g. GitHub, is allowed when referring to use with or suitability for the Rust programming language. Such uses may also include the Rust logo, even in modified form. For commercial products (including crowdfunded or sponsored ones), please check in with us to ensure your use does not appear official. > They probably weren't trying to deceive anyone That's the intent of the policy they oppose, so... /shrug
  - orbital223 3y ago
    > That's the intent of the policy they oppose, so... /shrug There is a world of difference between "intent" and reality.

wccrawford 3y ago

>In which case, CrabLang wanted to use the Rust trademarks to deceive people into thinking it's endorsed by the project and foundation. Instead, I see their statement as a visceral reaction to some legal threat they received that they don't think was valid. They probably weren't trying to deceive anyone, they just wanted to name their project "Rust Widget" or something and don't like that they are open to legal action from that because someone might think that's an official Rust project, when it's not... Even if most people would know it's not. I'm not privy to any information in this debate, I just don't support your interpretation of their words. I think mine is a more charitable interpretation until further evidence of their actual meaning comes to light.

jasonlotito 3y ago
> they just wanted to name their project "Rust Widget" That's already explicitly covered by their trademark policy. > Using the Rust trademarks in the names of non-commercial products like RustPostgres or Rustymine, or in the name of code repositories in e.g. GitHub, is allowed when referring to use with or suitability for the Rust programming language. Such uses may also include the Rust logo, even in modified form. For commercial products (including crowdfunded or sponsored ones), please check in with us to ensure your use does not appear official. > They probably weren't trying to deceive anyone That's the intent of the policy they oppose, so... /shrug
- orbital223 3y ago
  > That's the intent of the policy they oppose, so... /shrug There is a world of difference between "intent" and reality.