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I think many Europeans can't imagine moving to the US (higher work load, less social safety, higher violence) and employers well know it and can keep salaries d

by oezi 3y ago

I think many Europeans can't imagine moving to the US (higher work load, less social safety, higher violence) and employers well know it and can keep salaries depressed.

hoffs 3y ago
More like people just don't want to leave their life behind... Those listed things are like the bottom of the reasons
- jessekv 3y ago
  On the other hand, I know dozens of people that left their life and higher salaries in the US behind to come to the EU for those stated reasons.
  - olyjohn 3y ago
    Dozens even!
    - jessekv 3y ago
      :D
  - 908B64B197 3y ago
    From my observation, the ratio of American Engineers coming to Europe vs Europeans Engineers coming to America is at least 1:10, if not more. And most of the expats I know who did it seemed to be working for SV companies. So they didn't leave the higher salary behind.
    - jessekv 3y ago
      Yes, it's definitely more than 1:10 overall. But those reasons to leave the US (unhealthy work load, less social safety, higher violence) are at the top of many people's minds when they move to Europe.
plandis 3y ago
In my experience the social safety net doesn’t really matter for highly skilled workers making hundreds of thousands of dollars per year. In terms of violence you’re statistically unlikely to be the victim of violent crime in the US as an upper class white collar worker.
- janosdebugs 3y ago
  It doesn't matter until it ends up mattering. Contracting an illness that prevents you from working and needs medical supervision can be life-ruining if your social security, etc. is tied to your employment.
  - mrkstu 3y ago
    Most corps carry long term disability insurance- I’d make more on that than an equivalent Euro paying job.
    - adamckay 3y ago
      Now add in vacation and sick days, as well as the worker protections for things such as layoffs.
- oceanplexian 3y ago
  It's unfair, but I'm of the opinion US healthcare is much better if you have the means to pay for it. Look at all the top surgeons and hospitals in the world for everything from neurosurgery to cancer treatment. They're all in the United States. The median level of care might be much better in Europe but they are behind when it comes to cutting edge treatments, rare diseases, and so on.
  - ryan-c 3y ago
    I'm an American living in the UK, and I've had to do medical tourism to the US. What I needed wasn't available outside the US at any price.
june_twenty 3y ago
I would move to the USA if I could. As a European is that possible - e.g. don't you need a green card?
- cpach 3y ago
  AFAIK the easiest way is to start working in EU for a company that has offices in US. Then you can transfer.
mettamage 3y ago
I can’t just move to the US. I’ve applied around 100 times and only brilliant.org replied and gave me an interview. All the other companies stated that Europeans don’t have permission to work in the US (and it wasn’t stated anywhere)

by oezi 3y ago

I think many Europeans can't imagine moving to the US (higher work load, less social safety, higher violence) and employers well know it and can keep salaries depressed.

hoffs 3y ago

More like people just don't want to leave their life behind... Those listed things are like the bottom of the reasons

jessekv 3y ago
On the other hand, I know dozens of people that left their life and higher salaries in the US behind to come to the EU for those stated reasons.
- olyjohn 3y ago
  Dozens even!
  - jessekv 3y ago
    :D
- 908B64B197 3y ago
  From my observation, the ratio of American Engineers coming to Europe vs Europeans Engineers coming to America is at least 1:10, if not more. And most of the expats I know who did it seemed to be working for SV companies. So they didn't leave the higher salary behind.
  - jessekv 3y ago
    Yes, it's definitely more than 1:10 overall. But those reasons to leave the US (unhealthy work load, less social safety, higher violence) are at the top of many people's minds when they move to Europe.

plandis 3y ago

In my experience the social safety net doesn’t really matter for highly skilled workers making hundreds of thousands of dollars per year. In terms of violence you’re statistically unlikely to be the victim of violent crime in the US as an upper class white collar worker.

janosdebugs 3y ago
It doesn't matter until it ends up mattering. Contracting an illness that prevents you from working and needs medical supervision can be life-ruining if your social security, etc. is tied to your employment.
- mrkstu 3y ago
  Most corps carry long term disability insurance- I’d make more on that than an equivalent Euro paying job.
  - adamckay 3y ago
    Now add in vacation and sick days, as well as the worker protections for things such as layoffs.
oceanplexian 3y ago
It's unfair, but I'm of the opinion US healthcare is much better if you have the means to pay for it. Look at all the top surgeons and hospitals in the world for everything from neurosurgery to cancer treatment. They're all in the United States. The median level of care might be much better in Europe but they are behind when it comes to cutting edge treatments, rare diseases, and so on.
- ryan-c 3y ago
  I'm an American living in the UK, and I've had to do medical tourism to the US. What I needed wasn't available outside the US at any price.

june_twenty 3y ago

I would move to the USA if I could. As a European is that possible - e.g. don't you need a green card?

cpach 3y ago
AFAIK the easiest way is to start working in EU for a company that has offices in US. Then you can transfer.

mettamage 3y ago

I can’t just move to the US. I’ve applied around 100 times and only brilliant.org replied and gave me an interview. All the other companies stated that Europeans don’t have permission to work in the US (and it wasn’t stated anywhere)