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It's a whitelabel copy based on policy disagreements, not unlike the "Iceweasel" (now Debian Firefox-ESR)[0] fork of Firefox. Just dawned on me after I wrote t

It's a whitelabel copy based on policy disagreements, not unlike the "Iceweasel" (now Debian Firefox-ESR)[0] fork of Firefox. Just dawned on me after I wrote the first sentence that both actions targeted Mozilla offspring. [0] https://wiki.parabola.nu/IceWeasel_History https://wiki.parabola.nu/IceWeasel_History

fooker 3y ago
This means something about Mozilla policies/politics is going wrong.
- lelanthran 3y ago
  > This means something about Mozilla policies/politics is going wrong. Again.
- caconym_ 3y ago
  Not really. At the scale of Rust and Firefox, some level of disagreement within and without the relevant political structure(s) is unavoidable.
- ragnese 3y ago
  I thought Mozilla barely has anything to do with Rust anymore. I assume they're part of the foundation or something, but are they actually setting/imposing any policies for Rust anymore?
  - arp242 3y ago
    That's correct; Rust is entirely spun off from Mozilla. I don't think any of the current Rust Foundation people ever worked for Mozilla.
- insanitybit 3y ago
  There's nothing wrong with Firefox policy that led to IceWeasel. Mozilla owns the Firefox Trademark. Someone wanted to avoid that so they created IceWeasel. This is working as intended. There's no controversy, there's no one saying "wow I can't believe Mozilla would own the Firefox trademark !", it's just... how someone wanted to play it. It's incredibly unlikely that this was necessary or actually achieved anything meaningful other than "Mozilla's trademark policy does not apply to this"... but that's a whole other thing. edit: Actually, what it achieves is that Debian can distribute a modified Firefox (because I believe they may modify source code for it) without representing it as Mozilla Firefox, which is great. Again, working as intended - now no one is confused, you know that the Firefox you are getting is not the one straight from Mozilla.
  - worksonmine 3y ago
    The trademark conflicted with the policies of the Debian repositories. Debian is very picky about what goes in the standard repositories.
    - insanitybit 3y ago
      And that's fine. They removed the trademarked icon and name. This is all as intended.
dizhn 3y ago
I have always had the feeling that Mozilla went through a transformation when they suddenly had a very strong power backing them. I am specifically talking about AOL and their very litigious legal force. Although the particular arrangement is not in place anymore Mozilla isn't what it used to be before it either. (The story of them going after the Firebird database people is all but forgotten today)

fooker 3y ago

This means something about Mozilla policies/politics is going wrong.

lelanthran 3y ago
> This means something about Mozilla policies/politics is going wrong. Again.
caconym_ 3y ago
Not really. At the scale of Rust and Firefox, some level of disagreement within and without the relevant political structure(s) is unavoidable.
ragnese 3y ago
I thought Mozilla barely has anything to do with Rust anymore. I assume they're part of the foundation or something, but are they actually setting/imposing any policies for Rust anymore?
- arp242 3y ago
  That's correct; Rust is entirely spun off from Mozilla. I don't think any of the current Rust Foundation people ever worked for Mozilla.
insanitybit 3y ago
There's nothing wrong with Firefox policy that led to IceWeasel. Mozilla owns the Firefox Trademark. Someone wanted to avoid that so they created IceWeasel. This is working as intended. There's no controversy, there's no one saying "wow I can't believe Mozilla would own the Firefox trademark !", it's just... how someone wanted to play it. It's incredibly unlikely that this was necessary or actually achieved anything meaningful other than "Mozilla's trademark policy does not apply to this"... but that's a whole other thing. edit: Actually, what it achieves is that Debian can distribute a modified Firefox (because I believe they may modify source code for it) without representing it as Mozilla Firefox, which is great. Again, working as intended - now no one is confused, you know that the Firefox you are getting is not the one straight from Mozilla.
- worksonmine 3y ago
  The trademark conflicted with the policies of the Debian repositories. Debian is very picky about what goes in the standard repositories.
  - insanitybit 3y ago
    And that's fine. They removed the trademarked icon and name. This is all as intended.

dizhn 3y ago

I have always had the feeling that Mozilla went through a transformation when they suddenly had a very strong power backing them. I am specifically talking about AOL and their very litigious legal force. Although the particular arrangement is not in place anymore Mozilla isn't what it used to be before it either. (The story of them going after the Firebird database people is all but forgotten today)