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You're claiming that something I dont care about is affecting my life in subtle ways I dont realize. When I ask you to back that up, you effectively say I am t

by lynx23 3y ago

You're claiming that something I dont care about is affecting my life in subtle ways I dont realize. When I ask you to back that up, you effectively say I am too stupid to get it on my own. Well, my point stands: You are claiming things and have nothing to back that up, and expect to be taken seriously?

peteradio 3y ago
Credit card companies have created a system where if you don't use them you are a loser, that's an example of what can happen. I can't prove OPs point about whether it affects you or not but in principle it might not, you might benefit from that status quo.
- lynx23 3y ago
  Can you explain, how is someone a "loser" if they don't use a credit card? Buying stuff on credit was never standard around where I live. Yet, for internet purchases, sure, but for most other things, we actually never adopted credit cards. We finally have debit cards, which is nice for the occasional internet purchase. But I see no extra pressure in my society to actually own and use a credit card.
  - peteradio 3y ago
    The places you shop are charging more to cash customers to pay for the credit fees while giving e.g. 2% back to CC customers.
coldtea 3y ago
>You're claiming that something I dont care about is affecting my life in subtle ways I dont realize. You don't need to care about something for it to affect you. Do you need a citation for this too? I'm claiming (actually merely stating, this is more like "water is wet" that some claim that needs support, it's almost a tautology) that systemic/social effects (what most people do, even if you don't do them) affect people in a society even if they don't participate. Specially that the majority people using social media also affects people not using them. Because even if you dont use them, your friends, kids, relatives, colleages, etc, do. The effect ranges from people simple things like people driving the car in the same roads as you while checking their feed, people staring at their screens when you go out with them, to friends/spouses/relatives/colleagues/kids being addicted, depressed, manipulated, misinformed, and generally affected in multiple ways by social media in many ways that then brush of to you (except if you live in a desert), to others expecting you to be participating there and treating you weirdly if you don't, and several other ways besides. It's the same way for many other things that are seemingly "individual" choice. You might not care about alcohol or drugs for example, but if somebody in your circle does, or even someone you have the misfortune to meet, it can just as well affect you (or their friends, relatives, violent crime rates, the health system, road safety, etc.).

by lynx23 3y ago

peteradio 3y ago

Credit card companies have created a system where if you don't use them you are a loser, that's an example of what can happen. I can't prove OPs point about whether it affects you or not but in principle it might not, you might benefit from that status quo.

lynx23 3y ago
Can you explain, how is someone a "loser" if they don't use a credit card? Buying stuff on credit was never standard around where I live. Yet, for internet purchases, sure, but for most other things, we actually never adopted credit cards. We finally have debit cards, which is nice for the occasional internet purchase. But I see no extra pressure in my society to actually own and use a credit card.
- peteradio 3y ago
  The places you shop are charging more to cash customers to pay for the credit fees while giving e.g. 2% back to CC customers.

coldtea 3y ago

>You're claiming that something I dont care about is affecting my life in subtle ways I dont realize. You don't need to care about something for it to affect you. Do you need a citation for this too? I'm claiming (actually merely stating, this is more like "water is wet" that some claim that needs support, it's almost a tautology) that systemic/social effects (what most people do, even if you don't do them) affect people in a society even if they don't participate. Specially that the majority people using social media also affects people not using them. Because even if you dont use them, your friends, kids, relatives, colleages, etc, do. The effect ranges from people simple things like people driving the car in the same roads as you while checking their feed, people staring at their screens when you go out with them, to friends/spouses/relatives/colleagues/kids being addicted, depressed, manipulated, misinformed, and generally affected in multiple ways by social media in many ways that then brush of to you (except if you live in a desert), to others expecting you to be participating there and treating you weirdly if you don't, and several other ways besides. It's the same way for many other things that are seemingly "individual" choice. You might not care about alcohol or drugs for example, but if somebody in your circle does, or even someone you have the misfortune to meet, it can just as well affect you (or their friends, relatives, violent crime rates, the health system, road safety, etc.).