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They are trademarks, though, are they not? Should I be permitted to fork Go an call it Rust? learnrust.com with fine resources to learn ru.. I mean go, no wait

by hurril 3y ago

They are trademarks, though, are they not? Should I be permitted to fork Go an call it Rust? learnrust.com with fine resources to learn ru.. I mean go, no wait. Rust. Definitely rust. I am a user of Rust and I am neither dumb nor little, but thank you for your kind consideration of my mental abilities. But I think you are the one missing the point here: it has to do with the stability of the brand, language and environment; I've invested a lot of hours into this and will continue to do so. Without the protection I would not because it could be gone tomorrow, basically.

jakear 3y ago
It's the Rust foundation that considers it's users dumb and little, unable to think for themselves and determine which resources are worth using. How could you in good faith read what I said and come away thinking I support controlling the availability of resources named rust?
hurril 3y ago
> It's the Rust foundation that considers it's users dumb and little, unable to think for themselves and determine which resources are worth using. How could you in good faith read what I said and come away thinking I support controlling the availability of resources named rust? Those are your words and I think you should own them. The trademark process is there to prevent malicious entities from doing that. And in an environment where some brand has a certain value, there will be people that would want to infringe on it to have a share of the proceeds. Why else are we even having this conversation, if it wasn't for the fact that people _do_ want to infringe on the brand? I went with the Go example to make the difference bigger. We can talk about the Crabs Language instead; imagine they take that language in another direction. (I don't mind that at all, doing so probably adds to the community of knowledge and information so I'm all for it.) But now let's also call them Rust. What does learnrust.com mean, then? Which Rust? A new users or a company looking to hire resources in this arena, would you call them dumb and little for not being able to expertly tease out the differences?
- jakear 3y ago
  If you cant wait for the cool off period to expire before responding, consider you might be too worked up to make a coherent case. For one, any reasonable interpreter of the English language would understand that sentiment was being attributed to the foundation, not me. And someone wanting to use the word Rust doesn't make them "infringing". It's a word. It's a technology. I can use any other technology name to describe an offering, but I use Rust and it's a big deal? Hard pass.
  - hurril 3y ago
    Cool off period? I am calm as a jug of yoghurt my dear Internet friend :) It seems to me that it would be educational for you to read a little about how trademarks work. The stuff that you direct at me has thorough explanations; these are not my opinions. To be honest: I'm not even 100% sure I even want the current trademark system, but I do understand the arguments for it.
    - jakear 3y ago
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WN86qywLVY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WN86qywLVY And it seems to me you could take a look at how literally any other language manages their name. Rust is alone in this drama-fest, as they tend to be.

by hurril 3y ago

jakear 3y ago

It's the Rust foundation that considers it's users dumb and little, unable to think for themselves and determine which resources are worth using. How could you in good faith read what I said and come away thinking I support controlling the availability of resources named rust?

hurril 3y ago

> It's the Rust foundation that considers it's users dumb and little, unable to think for themselves and determine which resources are worth using. How could you in good faith read what I said and come away thinking I support controlling the availability of resources named rust? Those are your words and I think you should own them. The trademark process is there to prevent malicious entities from doing that. And in an environment where some brand has a certain value, there will be people that would want to infringe on it to have a share of the proceeds. Why else are we even having this conversation, if it wasn't for the fact that people _do_ want to infringe on the brand? I went with the Go example to make the difference bigger. We can talk about the Crabs Language instead; imagine they take that language in another direction. (I don't mind that at all, doing so probably adds to the community of knowledge and information so I'm all for it.) But now let's also call them Rust. What does learnrust.com mean, then? Which Rust? A new users or a company looking to hire resources in this arena, would you call them dumb and little for not being able to expertly tease out the differences?

jakear 3y ago
If you cant wait for the cool off period to expire before responding, consider you might be too worked up to make a coherent case. For one, any reasonable interpreter of the English language would understand that sentiment was being attributed to the foundation, not me. And someone wanting to use the word Rust doesn't make them "infringing". It's a word. It's a technology. I can use any other technology name to describe an offering, but I use Rust and it's a big deal? Hard pass.
- hurril 3y ago
  Cool off period? I am calm as a jug of yoghurt my dear Internet friend :) It seems to me that it would be educational for you to read a little about how trademarks work. The stuff that you direct at me has thorough explanations; these are not my opinions. To be honest: I'm not even 100% sure I even want the current trademark system, but I do understand the arguments for it.
  - jakear 3y ago
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WN86qywLVY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WN86qywLVY And it seems to me you could take a look at how literally any other language manages their name. Rust is alone in this drama-fest, as they tend to be.