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But does your theory include slavs too? I mean.. the word 'slave' is similar for a reason. What about the irish? Italians? What about young british Bobby or Bi

But does your theory include slavs too? I mean.. the word 'slave' is similar for a reason. What about the irish? Italians? What about young british Bobby or Billy, whos alcoholic single mother moved to USA, and now they both live in a trailer park in bumfuck arizona? Should he be excluded since someone somehwere did something, and that someone lived on the same island as his ancestors did?

joshuamorton 3y ago
Since you've already admitted that you aren't actually from the US, which of the following do you believe / not believe: 1. The US has social programs and educational programs that assist economically underprivileged people in racially independent ways 2. In the US, there are particularities of racial relations and history that make groups like Native and African American populations particularly underserved even when accounting for economic status 3. Social programs that attempt to address (2) are morally objectionable, even if there are particular racial issues unique to the US's history and culture that make race a distinct class in addition to economic class. (One thing I find particularly odd is that people seem to generally favor anti-caste-discrimination regulations on HN, but find anti-US-race-discrimination laws. But both of those stem from the same underlying recognition: caste and race in the US are both strongly correlated with economic class, but even restricting to equivalent economic situations, lower-caste people in India (and subcultures where there is significant Indian cultural influence), and African American people in the US are more likely to face discrimination).
- happytoexplain 3y ago
  It's rarely useful to ask a person to simplify their opinion on something complicated into yes/no answers to a few questions. It's usually a form of leading/framing (even if we don't intend it to be).

joshuamorton 3y ago

Since you've already admitted that you aren't actually from the US, which of the following do you believe / not believe: 1. The US has social programs and educational programs that assist economically underprivileged people in racially independent ways 2. In the US, there are particularities of racial relations and history that make groups like Native and African American populations particularly underserved even when accounting for economic status 3. Social programs that attempt to address (2) are morally objectionable, even if there are particular racial issues unique to the US's history and culture that make race a distinct class in addition to economic class. (One thing I find particularly odd is that people seem to generally favor anti-caste-discrimination regulations on HN, but find anti-US-race-discrimination laws. But both of those stem from the same underlying recognition: caste and race in the US are both strongly correlated with economic class, but even restricting to equivalent economic situations, lower-caste people in India (and subcultures where there is significant Indian cultural influence), and African American people in the US are more likely to face discrimination).

happytoexplain 3y ago
It's rarely useful to ask a person to simplify their opinion on something complicated into yes/no answers to a few questions. It's usually a form of leading/framing (even if we don't intend it to be).