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> Any impropriety in the process would have almost certainly toppled the government and led to an immediate election. Didn't they just have an election that re

> Any impropriety in the process would have almost certainly toppled the government and led to an immediate election. Didn't they just have an election that resulted in the minority government? Meaning all parties knew their chances of overthrowing the current admin were slim. > Paul Rouleau Weird. He was nominated by a Liberal administration and found no wrongdoings in the actions of... a Liberal administration! > The senators are appointed by various leaders and are, at least in theory, not aligned with any political party and given lifetime appointments. By who? Who nominates those people? > And the Governor General is also pretty unaligned. And nominated by? > The King is obviously a hereditary role and lives in England So weird to read that a foreign, non-elected person can have such a big impact. Feels completely alien.

arcticbull 3y ago
> Weird. He was nominated by a Liberal administration and found no wrongdoings in the actions of... a Liberal administration! This was a public inquiry that was participated in by members of all major parties. [0] > By who? Who nominates those people? The leader of the party in power at the time, which historically alternates between Liberals and Conservatives. In lifetime appointments. Generally, though, the nominations aren't aligned with any federal parties, and the senate has its own political parties. You can learn more about the Senate here. [1] > Weird. He was nominated by a Liberal administration and found no wrongdoings in the actions of... a Liberal administration! A Liberal minority that can be dissolved at any time. An important point you keep ignoring. [2] > And nominated by? The PM. Not beholden to the PM - and they aren't re-appointed after 4 years. Of course, the PM can't remove them. An exit from this post can only occur through death or incapacitation, resignation, or if removed by the King. [3] > So weird to read that a foreign, non-elected person can have such a big impact. Feels completely alien. Charles III is King of Canada - among many other titles - and therefore not a foreigner. [4] Canada has its own independent monarchy. Note that in fact any commonwealth citizen is not considered a foreigner in the UK - a commonwealth citizen with permanent residency in the UK can vote, hold public office and join the UK armed forces. You wanted someone with oversight who isn't beholden to anyone and suddenly they don't count because you don't like it and it feels 'alien.' Much of their power is ceremonial and as I indicated, if they did reject legislation it would likely trigger a constitutional crisis. I'm done covering grade 10 civics with someone who has made up their mind on something they have no understanding of. It's playing chess against someone playing hopscotch. Respectfully you're just asking me to spell out the absolute basics of Canadian government. You can simply ask Google things like 'who appoints Canadian senators.' [0] https://publicorderemergencycommission.ca/about/the-commission/ https://publicorderemergencycommission.ca/about/the-commissi... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senate_of_Canada https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senate_of_Canada [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minority_governments_in_Canada https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minority_governments_in_Canada [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governor_General_of_Canada https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governor_General_of_Canada [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchy_of_Canada https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchy_of_Canada
- 908B64B197 3y ago
  There's nothing wrong with having these Governors and Senators nominated by the Prime Minister. To be fair, it sounds a lot like here in the US, where unsurprisingly, Supreme Court Justices nominated by a certain party tend to agree with said party.

arcticbull 3y ago

> Weird. He was nominated by a Liberal administration and found no wrongdoings in the actions of... a Liberal administration! This was a public inquiry that was participated in by members of all major parties. [0] > By who? Who nominates those people? The leader of the party in power at the time, which historically alternates between Liberals and Conservatives. In lifetime appointments. Generally, though, the nominations aren't aligned with any federal parties, and the senate has its own political parties. You can learn more about the Senate here. [1] > Weird. He was nominated by a Liberal administration and found no wrongdoings in the actions of... a Liberal administration! A Liberal minority that can be dissolved at any time. An important point you keep ignoring. [2] > And nominated by? The PM. Not beholden to the PM - and they aren't re-appointed after 4 years. Of course, the PM can't remove them. An exit from this post can only occur through death or incapacitation, resignation, or if removed by the King. [3] > So weird to read that a foreign, non-elected person can have such a big impact. Feels completely alien. Charles III is King of Canada - among many other titles - and therefore not a foreigner. [4] Canada has its own independent monarchy. Note that in fact any commonwealth citizen is not considered a foreigner in the UK - a commonwealth citizen with permanent residency in the UK can vote, hold public office and join the UK armed forces. You wanted someone with oversight who isn't beholden to anyone and suddenly they don't count because you don't like it and it feels 'alien.' Much of their power is ceremonial and as I indicated, if they did reject legislation it would likely trigger a constitutional crisis. I'm done covering grade 10 civics with someone who has made up their mind on something they have no understanding of. It's playing chess against someone playing hopscotch. Respectfully you're just asking me to spell out the absolute basics of Canadian government. You can simply ask Google things like 'who appoints Canadian senators.' [0] https://publicorderemergencycommission.ca/about/the-commission/ https://publicorderemergencycommission.ca/about/the-commissi... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senate_of_Canada https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senate_of_Canada [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minority_governments_in_Canada https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minority_governments_in_Canada [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governor_General_of_Canada https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governor_General_of_Canada [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchy_of_Canada https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchy_of_Canada

908B64B197 3y ago
There's nothing wrong with having these Governors and Senators nominated by the Prime Minister. To be fair, it sounds a lot like here in the US, where unsurprisingly, Supreme Court Justices nominated by a certain party tend to agree with said party.