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No, most US electric cars are Teslas and they use the better NACS port. Which is an open standard now. Ford will use it in the future.

KennyBlanken 3y ago
There's nothing better about Supercharger connectors. CCS is now twice the voltage and supports 25% more current; the common max CCS charger power is 350KW, whereas most superchargers are at best 250KW, and often that power is shared among several stalls. Teslas use CCS2 in Europe where (ahem) they were required to, so by opening up their network, millions of cars there are out there able to use the stations since it's largely a software change. No mass-produced car uses Supercharger plugs except Teslas, so them opening up their network means only some Fords, produced at some time in the future, will be able to use them - and it's really not a plus, given the slow charging speed, and how oversubscribed many of the stations are. It's going to be fun when people with 100k Teslas can't charge because there's someone with a $35k electric Ford using a charging port... The entire mass-production auto industry save Tesla has standardized on CCS1/2. The only downside to CCS is that the US and Europe use different CCS connectors, which is a giant facepalm.
- wilg 3y ago
  > There's nothing better about Supercharger connectors. The size, usability, and industrial design is clearly better. > CCS is now twice the voltage and supports 25% more current The max NACS/Tesla current is 1MW. > The entire mass-production auto industry save Tesla has standardized on CCS1/2. China has a different (and way crazier) plug.
  - Robotbeat 3y ago
    Right. And CCS1 sucks, mostly just used in America where there are more NACS plugs anyway. Adapters aren't a huge issue, but the base plug should be the most compact and simple one. NACS.
- Robotbeat 3y ago
  The CCS2 plug is fine, although not as good as NACS. CCS1 sucks and should just be abandoned in favor of NACS. There are huge downsides to using CCS1 especially. It costs more. Also, Superchargers are not massively oversubscribed. Tesla is really good at installing enough stations. It's true that superchargers are actually used while many others tend to rot or sit broken, but overall the Tesla experience is far better. Additionally, there isn't a problem with slower charge speeds. There are still a lot of 50kW CCS chargers where I live, all slower than even old Supercharging stations.

KennyBlanken 3y ago

There's nothing better about Supercharger connectors. CCS is now twice the voltage and supports 25% more current; the common max CCS charger power is 350KW, whereas most superchargers are at best 250KW, and often that power is shared among several stalls. Teslas use CCS2 in Europe where (ahem) they were required to, so by opening up their network, millions of cars there are out there able to use the stations since it's largely a software change. No mass-produced car uses Supercharger plugs except Teslas, so them opening up their network means only some Fords, produced at some time in the future, will be able to use them - and it's really not a plus, given the slow charging speed, and how oversubscribed many of the stations are. It's going to be fun when people with 100k Teslas can't charge because there's someone with a $35k electric Ford using a charging port... The entire mass-production auto industry save Tesla has standardized on CCS1/2. The only downside to CCS is that the US and Europe use different CCS connectors, which is a giant facepalm.

wilg 3y ago
> There's nothing better about Supercharger connectors. The size, usability, and industrial design is clearly better. > CCS is now twice the voltage and supports 25% more current The max NACS/Tesla current is 1MW. > The entire mass-production auto industry save Tesla has standardized on CCS1/2. China has a different (and way crazier) plug.
- Robotbeat 3y ago
  Right. And CCS1 sucks, mostly just used in America where there are more NACS plugs anyway. Adapters aren't a huge issue, but the base plug should be the most compact and simple one. NACS.
Robotbeat 3y ago
The CCS2 plug is fine, although not as good as NACS. CCS1 sucks and should just be abandoned in favor of NACS. There are huge downsides to using CCS1 especially. It costs more. Also, Superchargers are not massively oversubscribed. Tesla is really good at installing enough stations. It's true that superchargers are actually used while many others tend to rot or sit broken, but overall the Tesla experience is far better. Additionally, there isn't a problem with slower charge speeds. There are still a lot of 50kW CCS chargers where I live, all slower than even old Supercharging stations.