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> Maybe it is gold and white. Yeah. In general, the first rule of heraldry ("metal should not be placed upon metal, nor color upon color") trumps the conventio

by addaon 3y ago

> Maybe it is gold and white. Yeah. In general, the first rule of heraldry ("metal should not be placed upon metal, nor color upon color") trumps the convention of "use standard heraldric colors." Gold touching silver violates the first rule; gold touching white violates only convention.

bboygravity 3y ago
k thanks, now I want to know what official flag breaks/broke the most of those rules and conventions :p
- addaon 3y ago
  Eh, rules are meant to be broken. And keep in mind these are at best European rules -- and even then, certain areas (England!) took them more seriously than others. There's also a lot of rules lawyering possible. e.g. red doesn't touch black on the German flag, because that would violate the first rule; instead, the field (background) is half black and half gold (color touching metal, fine), and the red stripe is on top of this field, totally legal, wink wink. That said, trying to follow these rules has led to some strange decisions; e.g. it's interesting to look into (some unverified stories about) why the US flag has white (silver, metal) stripes on a red background, while the US seal has red stripes on a white background.
  - labster 3y ago
    I thought that red didn’t touch black in the German flag, it touches sable, which is a fur. And furs can be placed on metal or color. … yeah, rules lawyering.
    - addaon 3y ago
      Yeah; in most of Western Europe sable is a color, but apparently in Germany and parts east it's considered a fur...
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grt_thr 3y ago
For secular states. The coat of arms of the Kingdom of Jerusalem used gold on silver. The coat of arms of the papacy on the other hand is not the flag so they can do whatever they feel like there.
kixiQu 3y ago
Intentional in context, though – gold and silver allowed on each other for the Church and Jerusalem... and green frogs on red for Satan! (https://old.reddit.com/r/heraldry/comments/dd39tj/arms_of_satan_as_depicted_in_the_13thcentury/ https://old.reddit.com/r/heraldry/comments/dd39tj/arms_of_sa...) (arguable, if you'd rather blazon the frogs as "proper", but...)

by addaon 3y ago

bboygravity 3y ago

k thanks, now I want to know what official flag breaks/broke the most of those rules and conventions :p

addaon 3y ago
Eh, rules are meant to be broken. And keep in mind these are at best European rules -- and even then, certain areas (England!) took them more seriously than others. There's also a lot of rules lawyering possible. e.g. red doesn't touch black on the German flag, because that would violate the first rule; instead, the field (background) is half black and half gold (color touching metal, fine), and the red stripe is on top of this field, totally legal, wink wink. That said, trying to follow these rules has led to some strange decisions; e.g. it's interesting to look into (some unverified stories about) why the US flag has white (silver, metal) stripes on a red background, while the US seal has red stripes on a white background.
- labster 3y ago
  I thought that red didn’t touch black in the German flag, it touches sable, which is a fur. And furs can be placed on metal or color. … yeah, rules lawyering.
  - addaon 3y ago
    Yeah; in most of Western Europe sable is a color, but apparently in Germany and parts east it's considered a fur...
    - deleted 3y ago
      [deleted]

grt_thr 3y ago

For secular states. The coat of arms of the Kingdom of Jerusalem used gold on silver. The coat of arms of the papacy on the other hand is not the flag so they can do whatever they feel like there.

kixiQu 3y ago

Intentional in context, though – gold and silver allowed on each other for the Church and Jerusalem... and green frogs on red for Satan! (https://old.reddit.com/r/heraldry/comments/dd39tj/arms_of_satan_as_depicted_in_the_13thcentury/ https://old.reddit.com/r/heraldry/comments/dd39tj/arms_of_sa...) (arguable, if you'd rather blazon the frogs as "proper", but...)