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> I've written a metaverse client that yields GTA V graphics quality and frame rate for a big virtual world. Talks to Open Simulator and Second Life servers. T

> I've written a metaverse client that yields GTA V graphics quality and frame rate for a big virtual world. Talks to Open Simulator and Second Life servers. That's cool, but...why would I want to use it? I think this is the fundamental problem that bullshitters like Zuckerberg can't actually solve. (And no, forcing employees to use it doesn't count.)

Animats 3y ago
Good question. When gamers try Second Life, they complain that it's s-l-o-w. That's a fixable problem for people with gamer PCs. They have enough CPU and GPU to do this right. The classic clients are single-thread and OpenGL, so they can't use modern gamer hardware effectively. If you get rid of the sluggishness, user acceptance improves considerably. Or so says the literature on game design. You get flow. Performance and graphics quality alone are not enough for a win, but not having them means a lose. I don't have all the answers. But I've pushed things forward a bit. Lots of people are now making noise about metaverses and AI. Unfortunately, most of the people making noise are the same clowns that pushed NFTs. But there's some good work going on. This has the potential to make metaverses less empty, and human users will have NPCs with which to interact. It can definitely solve the emptyness problem. NPCs are getting smarter. One of my NPCs in Second Life has a T-shirt that says on the back "Trainee - Someday we'll be in charge." That's less of a joke and more of a threat now.
- bandrami 3y ago
  At least for me the graphics and speed aren't the problem; the problem is that there is nothing for me to do in metaspace except maybe fly around and see other bored people flying around.
  - poglet 3y ago
    GTA V appears to be a very popular multiplayer game, so if a metaverse could have GTA V graphics and multiplayer performance then surely some GTA like activities could be implemented.
    - hef19898 3y ago
      Which raises question of why people should not just simply play GTA, doesn't it?
    - blowski 3y ago
      I can play GTA on my Xbox for 3 hours. On an Oculus, my head hurts after 20 minutes.
    - ffgjgf1 3y ago
      But there appear to be no real use cases other than gaming? And that’s a narrow subset of a subset of just single market. It seems that Facebook was aiming at something bigger than that but they actually couldn’t even offer a coherent argument on what VR could offer outsiders of gaming.
    - someweirdperson 3y ago
      > ... surely some GTA like activities could be implemented. Running over people in cars? Who would be the players to volunteering to being ran over?
    - bandrami 3y ago
      I mean, I don't play GTA, so there's that? And if I did play GTA I would... I don't know... play GTA, rather than playing a less interesting version of GTA.
  - prawn 3y ago
    Watch what people do in game lobbies like Fortnite, which are a bit of an open world: mindlessly destroy things, troll other people, show off superficial things like dance moves. A metaverse needs a bit more purpose, and constraints - a theme, or something that people strive for, or competition.

Animats 3y ago

Good question. When gamers try Second Life, they complain that it's s-l-o-w. That's a fixable problem for people with gamer PCs. They have enough CPU and GPU to do this right. The classic clients are single-thread and OpenGL, so they can't use modern gamer hardware effectively. If you get rid of the sluggishness, user acceptance improves considerably. Or so says the literature on game design. You get flow. Performance and graphics quality alone are not enough for a win, but not having them means a lose. I don't have all the answers. But I've pushed things forward a bit. Lots of people are now making noise about metaverses and AI. Unfortunately, most of the people making noise are the same clowns that pushed NFTs. But there's some good work going on. This has the potential to make metaverses less empty, and human users will have NPCs with which to interact. It can definitely solve the emptyness problem. NPCs are getting smarter. One of my NPCs in Second Life has a T-shirt that says on the back "Trainee - Someday we'll be in charge." That's less of a joke and more of a threat now.

bandrami 3y ago
At least for me the graphics and speed aren't the problem; the problem is that there is nothing for me to do in metaspace except maybe fly around and see other bored people flying around.
- poglet 3y ago
  GTA V appears to be a very popular multiplayer game, so if a metaverse could have GTA V graphics and multiplayer performance then surely some GTA like activities could be implemented.
  - hef19898 3y ago
    Which raises question of why people should not just simply play GTA, doesn't it?
  - blowski 3y ago
    I can play GTA on my Xbox for 3 hours. On an Oculus, my head hurts after 20 minutes.
  - ffgjgf1 3y ago
    But there appear to be no real use cases other than gaming? And that’s a narrow subset of a subset of just single market. It seems that Facebook was aiming at something bigger than that but they actually couldn’t even offer a coherent argument on what VR could offer outsiders of gaming.
  - someweirdperson 3y ago
    > ... surely some GTA like activities could be implemented. Running over people in cars? Who would be the players to volunteering to being ran over?
  - bandrami 3y ago
    I mean, I don't play GTA, so there's that? And if I did play GTA I would... I don't know... play GTA, rather than playing a less interesting version of GTA.
- prawn 3y ago
  Watch what people do in game lobbies like Fortnite, which are a bit of an open world: mindlessly destroy things, troll other people, show off superficial things like dance moves. A metaverse needs a bit more purpose, and constraints - a theme, or something that people strive for, or competition.