>Babies are expensive but they aren't life-changing expensive. I can't comprehend how you can say that. This is an actual human being with basically unbounded

>Babies are expensive but they aren't life-changing expensive. I can't comprehend how you can say that. This is an actual human being with basically unbounded ability to benefit from absorbing your time and resources. >Why is the inevitable result some hard life working 3 jobs? It is a spectrum. The earlier comment in the chain stated "Some % of people will always want to have kids, no matter what circumstances. It's inelastic for them". This is the reality for some people in that spectrum. Anecdotally i'd say for -most- people. At some point, in my opinion, the consequences are bad. Saying it's just about not buying an iPhone seems like a rich person perspective from someone that has no idea how most people live and raise children