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I swear this comes up every 2-5 years. It's insanely violent, doesn't work as well on the elderly (like literally everything else), and is still better than no

I swear this comes up every 2-5 years. It's insanely violent, doesn't work as well on the elderly (like literally everything else), and is still better than nothing. Things like this almost feel like fear bait. It's intuitive that a procedure performed on someone who's dying is ALWAYS going to be less effective on the elderly. So long as it's not killing more people than it helps (extremely unlikely given the whole "you're not breathing/your heart has stopped" qualifier) it's still an important thing to know.

michael1999 3y ago
Quality of life is not a boolean variable. "CPR-induced consciousness" sounds like a truly terrible way to go, and likely to cause real suffering in the practitioner/torturer.
henry2023 3y ago
About 93% of the time it's worst than nothing.
- dghlsakjg 3y ago
  The doing nothing treatment leads to death 100% of the time since you don't do CPR on people with a beating heart.
- pessimizer 3y ago
  Slightly worse than nothing; saves a tiny bit of exercise for someone. 7% of the time it saves a life.
- mjevans 3y ago
  For bystanders, the raw numbers from the article reflect a 7.6% survival rate became a 10% survival rate. An absolute improvement in about 24 out of 1000 cases, though for those that do 'survive' maybe a 33% increase? Though those numbers strongly hint at over simplified variables. Is there other medical help available? (E.G. an AED, maybe combined with CPR?) Is EMS close? Are they near a medivac capable landing site and a level 1 trauma center? How does this change across patient demographics? For my own health, this goes back to end of life management questions, can I recover or even improve to a degree if a procedure is done? As someone with hopefully decades and maybe even a chance at upload or archival if I live long enough CPR probably is worth it for the cases where survival is improved; but only if all the other options are exhausted first.
SapporoChris 3y ago
My nephew performed CPR on my mother (his grandmother). It wasn't successful, he gets to live with the psychological consequences. I imagine not acting would have worse psychological consequences, but only because society has built up unrealistic expectations regarding CPR.

michael1999 3y ago

Quality of life is not a boolean variable. "CPR-induced consciousness" sounds like a truly terrible way to go, and likely to cause real suffering in the practitioner/torturer.

henry2023 3y ago

About 93% of the time it's worst than nothing.

dghlsakjg 3y ago
The doing nothing treatment leads to death 100% of the time since you don't do CPR on people with a beating heart.
pessimizer 3y ago
Slightly worse than nothing; saves a tiny bit of exercise for someone. 7% of the time it saves a life.
mjevans 3y ago
For bystanders, the raw numbers from the article reflect a 7.6% survival rate became a 10% survival rate. An absolute improvement in about 24 out of 1000 cases, though for those that do 'survive' maybe a 33% increase? Though those numbers strongly hint at over simplified variables. Is there other medical help available? (E.G. an AED, maybe combined with CPR?) Is EMS close? Are they near a medivac capable landing site and a level 1 trauma center? How does this change across patient demographics? For my own health, this goes back to end of life management questions, can I recover or even improve to a degree if a procedure is done? As someone with hopefully decades and maybe even a chance at upload or archival if I live long enough CPR probably is worth it for the cases where survival is improved; but only if all the other options are exhausted first.

SapporoChris 3y ago

My nephew performed CPR on my mother (his grandmother). It wasn't successful, he gets to live with the psychological consequences. I imagine not acting would have worse psychological consequences, but only because society has built up unrealistic expectations regarding CPR.