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Also the threat to civil liberties was exposed in Canada when the government saw it fit to freeze people's bank accounts. I believe this is being reviewed and

by mc32 3y ago

Also the threat to civil liberties was exposed in Canada when the government saw it fit to freeze people's bank accounts. I believe this is being reviewed and maybe something will come of it so that the gov is not allowed to cavalierly freeze accounts in the future, but you can see how even liberal people are ready to violate people's civil liberties when they see it fit. It's like principles are only followed when times are easy. In reality principles earn their keep when they persist in the toughest of times.

efitz 3y ago
The US has wantonly applied “sanctions” all over the place, which in lay terms means “we take your money electronically and/or prevent you from moving money”. This has been applied both against governments and individuals, even individuals not accused of any crime in the US.
- mc32 3y ago
  Yes! We have faithless actors as well. Civil forfeiture is another one. They should not be able to confiscate people's property until they have had due process and found to have unlawfully come to said property. I use Canada as an example because it was a vast and wanton act by the government affecting and threatening thousands of accountholders at once. It's a shame we don't have more libertarians representing the interests of the people in the Congress. Can only hope whomever might be the next president would have the Coglioni to reform civil forfeiture.
  - NoMoreNicksLeft 3y ago
    But as long as the people who are victimized first are unsympathetic, no one's going to complain about it. They were rednecks and vaccine deniers and white supremacists and blue collar workers, all the sorts of people who are bad. Thus, doing this to them was justified and good. Meaning the government should have such powers. If only there were some sort of clever computer algorithm that could create a money system that no one can track of block.
gloryjulio 3y ago
Just want to comment that the 'liberals' in Canada r the definition of right wing liberal - pro business, pro oligarch, f the poors, flood the market with cheap immigrants labors while raise the property value sky high. They would give the plebs some scraps of coz. It's better to be homeless with some food than being hungry
- Melting_Harps 3y ago
  > Just want to comment that the 'liberals' in Canada r the definition of right wing liberal - pro business, pro oligarch, f the poors, flood the market with cheap immigrants labors while raise the property value sky high. This is what I found to be the case too, it was really alarming; it was like MAGA was sped up and shipped to Canada despite it being supposedly a US-thing, whereas the US was dealing with Police brutality via the BLM movement, Canada just seemed to welcome it's draconian police state because it carried all those other features if you were from that 'class.' Terrifying and sobering to say the least.
  - gloryjulio 3y ago
    Well, liberals are still liberals. They r not maga. U mean the conservative parties, they r turning into maga. Nobody cares the plebs regardless
- BlueTemplar 3y ago
  Not like that is different in the USA ? Or did Sanders et al. suddenly become the majority of the Democrats while I wasn't paying attention ?
  - gloryjulio 3y ago
    Maybe the poor in the US are also f? Have u considered that? Sanders is not pro business. He is at least trying to help the ppl. He is not the usual democrats. Sorry what's the point that u r trying to make? I never mentioned the US in the first place.
Aunche 3y ago
Would you prefer if they ended the blockades through more forceful means, even if that would escalate into violence?
- Melting_Harps 3y ago
  > Would you prefer if they ended the blockades through more forceful means, even if that would escalate into violence? As an outsider looking in on that debacle I have two points to make: 1: What I wanted to be addressed above all was why Canada went so much further than any other country in N. America in response to COVID, and what purpose did it serve when it's biggest trading partner (The US) was also starting to pressure it from it's border restrictions? 2: As a former street demo activist, I can tell you violence doesn't always have to resort to physical altercation; it takes many forms, and those impacts can take just as long if not longer to recover from. Financial censorship is a form of violence, you are depriving people of their own property and personal agency. It compounds further when their way of living is being stripped from them and they are unable to feed themselves or their families, thus causing further discord and strife in Society--be it in bankruptcy or divorce etc... The vaccine-mandate is just one response to a litany of others that proved to have efficacy in combating COVID; better diets, exercise, sunlight and Vitamin D proved an even bigger boon for people's health and well being and yet those are OPTIONAL even to this day. My point is why did it even come this? And why are so many proponents of the State being able to ruin the lives of fellow members of their class (non-elite/political class) with such fervor in Canada? I've personally never understood the plight of Montreal as anything that mattered, most French I've encountered see their dialect as uncouth and their culture entirely divorced from their own; but after all of this I can surmise that it's they have been in a forced marriage with an abusive partner who is prone to take everything it has under the constant threat of violence as a likely POV they must have. Perhaps not unlike Ukraine, Catalunya or Pais Vasco for a more European example that spans Centuries of needless bloodshed.
  - 908B64B197 3y ago
    > 1: What I wanted to be addressed above all was why Canada went so much further than any other country in N. America in response to COVID, and what purpose did it serve when it's biggest trading partner (The US) was also starting to pressure it from it's border restrictions? Some of it might be due to the current administration's "double allegiances" to China. [0] [1]. Notice Beijing too is set on it's "0 Covid Strategy". Canada was notorious for having delayed vaccination the Trudeau administration funneled 44 million dollars [2] and months [3] of taxpayer funded research work to CCP controlled CanSino, with little to show for. > most French I've encountered see their dialect as uncouth What? We have an office in Montreal with French-Canadians, French and Swiss employees and I've never heard of such thing. [0] https://globalnews.ca/news/9658738/trudeau-foundation-china-donation-audit/ https://globalnews.ca/news/9658738/trudeau-foundation-china-... [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65054559 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65054559 [2] https://globalnews.ca/news/7302194/canada-coronavirus-vaccine-deal-china/ https://globalnews.ca/news/7302194/canada-coronavirus-vaccin... [3] https://ipolitics.ca/2021/03/12/a-waste-of-a-lot-of-time-researcher-in-cansino-deal-shares-new-details/ https://ipolitics.ca/2021/03/12/a-waste-of-a-lot-of-time-res...
momirlan 3y ago
it's Canada, so no review will be beneficial to people. the whole judicial process is a joke. the government has carte blanche to do anything to you
multiplegeorges 3y ago
> I believe this is being reviewed and maybe something will come of it so that the gov is not allowed to cavalierly freeze accounts in the future The law that allowed them to take these extraordinary measures includes a required independent public inquiry into their use. That has happened. It found that the use was justified, measured, and rescinded immediately once it was no longer necessary.

by mc32 3y ago

efitz 3y ago

The US has wantonly applied “sanctions” all over the place, which in lay terms means “we take your money electronically and/or prevent you from moving money”. This has been applied both against governments and individuals, even individuals not accused of any crime in the US.

mc32 3y ago
Yes! We have faithless actors as well. Civil forfeiture is another one. They should not be able to confiscate people's property until they have had due process and found to have unlawfully come to said property. I use Canada as an example because it was a vast and wanton act by the government affecting and threatening thousands of accountholders at once. It's a shame we don't have more libertarians representing the interests of the people in the Congress. Can only hope whomever might be the next president would have the Coglioni to reform civil forfeiture.
- NoMoreNicksLeft 3y ago
  But as long as the people who are victimized first are unsympathetic, no one's going to complain about it. They were rednecks and vaccine deniers and white supremacists and blue collar workers, all the sorts of people who are bad. Thus, doing this to them was justified and good. Meaning the government should have such powers. If only there were some sort of clever computer algorithm that could create a money system that no one can track of block.

gloryjulio 3y ago

Just want to comment that the 'liberals' in Canada r the definition of right wing liberal - pro business, pro oligarch, f the poors, flood the market with cheap immigrants labors while raise the property value sky high. They would give the plebs some scraps of coz. It's better to be homeless with some food than being hungry

Melting_Harps 3y ago
> Just want to comment that the 'liberals' in Canada r the definition of right wing liberal - pro business, pro oligarch, f the poors, flood the market with cheap immigrants labors while raise the property value sky high. This is what I found to be the case too, it was really alarming; it was like MAGA was sped up and shipped to Canada despite it being supposedly a US-thing, whereas the US was dealing with Police brutality via the BLM movement, Canada just seemed to welcome it's draconian police state because it carried all those other features if you were from that 'class.' Terrifying and sobering to say the least.
- gloryjulio 3y ago
  Well, liberals are still liberals. They r not maga. U mean the conservative parties, they r turning into maga. Nobody cares the plebs regardless
BlueTemplar 3y ago
Not like that is different in the USA ? Or did Sanders et al. suddenly become the majority of the Democrats while I wasn't paying attention ?
- gloryjulio 3y ago
  Maybe the poor in the US are also f? Have u considered that? Sanders is not pro business. He is at least trying to help the ppl. He is not the usual democrats. Sorry what's the point that u r trying to make? I never mentioned the US in the first place.

Aunche 3y ago

Would you prefer if they ended the blockades through more forceful means, even if that would escalate into violence?

Melting_Harps 3y ago
> Would you prefer if they ended the blockades through more forceful means, even if that would escalate into violence? As an outsider looking in on that debacle I have two points to make: 1: What I wanted to be addressed above all was why Canada went so much further than any other country in N. America in response to COVID, and what purpose did it serve when it's biggest trading partner (The US) was also starting to pressure it from it's border restrictions? 2: As a former street demo activist, I can tell you violence doesn't always have to resort to physical altercation; it takes many forms, and those impacts can take just as long if not longer to recover from. Financial censorship is a form of violence, you are depriving people of their own property and personal agency. It compounds further when their way of living is being stripped from them and they are unable to feed themselves or their families, thus causing further discord and strife in Society--be it in bankruptcy or divorce etc... The vaccine-mandate is just one response to a litany of others that proved to have efficacy in combating COVID; better diets, exercise, sunlight and Vitamin D proved an even bigger boon for people's health and well being and yet those are OPTIONAL even to this day. My point is why did it even come this? And why are so many proponents of the State being able to ruin the lives of fellow members of their class (non-elite/political class) with such fervor in Canada? I've personally never understood the plight of Montreal as anything that mattered, most French I've encountered see their dialect as uncouth and their culture entirely divorced from their own; but after all of this I can surmise that it's they have been in a forced marriage with an abusive partner who is prone to take everything it has under the constant threat of violence as a likely POV they must have. Perhaps not unlike Ukraine, Catalunya or Pais Vasco for a more European example that spans Centuries of needless bloodshed.
- 908B64B197 3y ago
  > 1: What I wanted to be addressed above all was why Canada went so much further than any other country in N. America in response to COVID, and what purpose did it serve when it's biggest trading partner (The US) was also starting to pressure it from it's border restrictions? Some of it might be due to the current administration's "double allegiances" to China. [0] [1]. Notice Beijing too is set on it's "0 Covid Strategy". Canada was notorious for having delayed vaccination the Trudeau administration funneled 44 million dollars [2] and months [3] of taxpayer funded research work to CCP controlled CanSino, with little to show for. > most French I've encountered see their dialect as uncouth What? We have an office in Montreal with French-Canadians, French and Swiss employees and I've never heard of such thing. [0] https://globalnews.ca/news/9658738/trudeau-foundation-china-donation-audit/ https://globalnews.ca/news/9658738/trudeau-foundation-china-... [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65054559 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65054559 [2] https://globalnews.ca/news/7302194/canada-coronavirus-vaccine-deal-china/ https://globalnews.ca/news/7302194/canada-coronavirus-vaccin... [3] https://ipolitics.ca/2021/03/12/a-waste-of-a-lot-of-time-researcher-in-cansino-deal-shares-new-details/ https://ipolitics.ca/2021/03/12/a-waste-of-a-lot-of-time-res...

momirlan 3y ago

it's Canada, so no review will be beneficial to people. the whole judicial process is a joke. the government has carte blanche to do anything to you

multiplegeorges 3y ago

> I believe this is being reviewed and maybe something will come of it so that the gov is not allowed to cavalierly freeze accounts in the future The law that allowed them to take these extraordinary measures includes a required independent public inquiry into their use. That has happened. It found that the use was justified, measured, and rescinded immediately once it was no longer necessary.