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KDE for Developers

60 points by ognarb 3y ago

gumballindie 3y ago
The only thing i dislike about kde is their use of qml for widget development. Everything else is amazing.
jokethrowaway 3y ago
I used to be big on Kate but then during the KDE 4.0 times it started lagging behind other editors and I switched. I think Kate definitely need language servers support (or alternative support) before it can be competitive. It looks already pretty awesome and feature packed (not even astrovim has multiple selections editing!)
- slbtty 3y ago
  > I think Kate definitely need language servers support Kate has LSP support for a few years already.
- ognarb 3y ago
  Kate has LSP support. Checkout the plugin section in the settings there is also built-in plugin for DAP-based debuggers, Git, SQL database and more
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pjmlp 3y ago
KDE is night and day when compared to the GNOME efforts of what represents a full stack development experience, as provided by the commercial desktops and mobile OSes from Apple, Google and Microsoft. Pity that isn't as much loved as it should be.
- IYasha 3y ago
  so... which one is night and which is day? and which one is better? :)
  - pjmlp 3y ago
    KDE is better of course. This coming from someone that once upon a time did Gtkmm advocacy. http://ftp.math.utah.edu/pub/tex/bib/cccuj2000.html#Pinto:2002:PGC http://ftp.math.utah.edu/pub/tex/bib/cccuj2000.html#Pinto:20...
    - IYasha 3y ago
      I agree, but you have put it in opposite order in your first statement so I had to ask for clarification :)
IYasha 3y ago
Guys, while KDE is undoubtedly best thing happened to Linux, for me the development... or overall problem of developing software for Linux it he Linux itself: lack of registry, COM, permissions, interoperability. I understand how hard is it to plan and do all these things. But... but. For example, AFAIR, Kate was integrated as text editor into KDevelop (which I painfully used as main IDE in linux), but it created unbelievable mess in settings - some of them didn't change, others changed things globally for KATE, some worked for KDev. Menus didn't stack up... But still, I really appreciate all the work was done by kdevs! One other IDE I would consider is Code::Blocks, but wx is not entirely good with Qt as backend yet.
- pjmlp 3y ago
  Actually D-BUS and DCOP are much better than COM, if Microsoft ever looked into COM like tooling in other platforms, instead they keep rebooting the ATL like experience while ignoring how others have improved upon COM. XPC and Android Binder are also two other examples of better tooling in this area.
  - IYasha 3y ago
    I never dug into D-Bus deeply enough, but as a user, for me it caused one big problem: press PrintScreen for > 1 second, have Spectacle hang itself and take dbus with it, making the whole OS inoperable. Reboot Linux, notice post downvoted by linux fanboys. Edit: I'm a linux user, but I don't idolize it.
    - IYasha 3y ago
      "0 points". Told you. Unpleasant truth.

60 points by ognarb 3y ago

The only thing i dislike about kde is their use of qml for widget development. Everything else is amazing.

I used to be big on Kate but then during the KDE 4.0 times it started lagging behind other editors and I switched. I think Kate definitely need language servers support (or alternative support) before it can be competitive. It looks already pretty awesome and feature packed (not even astrovim has multiple selections editing!)

slbtty 3y ago
> I think Kate definitely need language servers support Kate has LSP support for a few years already.
ognarb 3y ago
Kate has LSP support. Checkout the plugin section in the settings there is also built-in plugin for DAP-based debuggers, Git, SQL database and more

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pjmlp 3y ago

KDE is night and day when compared to the GNOME efforts of what represents a full stack development experience, as provided by the commercial desktops and mobile OSes from Apple, Google and Microsoft. Pity that isn't as much loved as it should be.

IYasha 3y ago
so... which one is night and which is day? and which one is better? :)
- pjmlp 3y ago
  KDE is better of course. This coming from someone that once upon a time did Gtkmm advocacy. http://ftp.math.utah.edu/pub/tex/bib/cccuj2000.html#Pinto:2002:PGC http://ftp.math.utah.edu/pub/tex/bib/cccuj2000.html#Pinto:20...
  - IYasha 3y ago
    I agree, but you have put it in opposite order in your first statement so I had to ask for clarification :)

IYasha 3y ago

Guys, while KDE is undoubtedly best thing happened to Linux, for me the development... or overall problem of developing software for Linux it he Linux itself: lack of registry, COM, permissions, interoperability. I understand how hard is it to plan and do all these things. But... but. For example, AFAIR, Kate was integrated as text editor into KDevelop (which I painfully used as main IDE in linux), but it created unbelievable mess in settings - some of them didn't change, others changed things globally for KATE, some worked for KDev. Menus didn't stack up... But still, I really appreciate all the work was done by kdevs! One other IDE I would consider is Code::Blocks, but wx is not entirely good with Qt as backend yet.

pjmlp 3y ago
Actually D-BUS and DCOP are much better than COM, if Microsoft ever looked into COM like tooling in other platforms, instead they keep rebooting the ATL like experience while ignoring how others have improved upon COM. XPC and Android Binder are also two other examples of better tooling in this area.
- IYasha 3y ago
  I never dug into D-Bus deeply enough, but as a user, for me it caused one big problem: press PrintScreen for > 1 second, have Spectacle hang itself and take dbus with it, making the whole OS inoperable. Reboot Linux, notice post downvoted by linux fanboys. Edit: I'm a linux user, but I don't idolize it.
  - IYasha 3y ago
    "0 points". Told you. Unpleasant truth.