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What keeps me bullish about Tesla is that when I put "self driving" into YouTube, I see an endless stream of videos made by normal people, filming their own Tes

by TekMol 3y ago

What keeps me bullish about Tesla is that when I put "self driving" into YouTube, I see an endless stream of videos made by normal people, filming their own Teslas actually doing self driving. No other manufacturer has gotten there yet. The cars are either geofenced or there are only marketing videos available. So I take it, that Tesla does have a technical advantage of some sorts. Considering how big the market for self driving is, I think the advantage in this field is worth the $500B market cap they have.

wahnfrieden 3y ago
their technical advantage is measured in comparison to tests, not production consumer rollout which is confounded by risk appetite
kramerger 3y ago
The only company that has a level 3 self driving car is Mercedes-Benz. Besides, if you measure success by the number of YouTube videos then feel free to search for "Tesla self driving accident" and "Tesla quality issue" on YT
- TekMol 3y ago
  I don't see any Mercedes self driving videos on youtube by regular people. If that tech existed and was in customers hands, Im sure there were many such videos?
  - ChuckNorris89 3y ago
    >I don't see any mercedes self driving videos on youtube by regular people What a weird metric to have, "videos on youtube of X". Has it occurred to you that more people post videos on youtube because they're influencers or just regular attention seekers cashing in for views because Tesla is overhyped and is the kind of thing that generates traction on social media? Maybe Mercedes owners, or those of any other brand, buy their car to drive it first, not show it off on youtube. For my next job, I'll work only at the company with the most videos on TikTok.
    - TekMol 3y ago
      There are more "driving my mercedes" videos on Youtube than "driving my tesla". Just nothing for self driving.
      - spikels 3y ago
        It’s not available to consumers and only works on a few pre-mapped highways a low speeds (i.e. traffic jams). This is a nothingburger.
    - _a9 3y ago
      It is absolutly not a weird metric. I (and a whole lotta other people) go to youtube to find real people testing and using real life things like keyboards, bikes, even other car brands, and so much more. I dont see how a person wanting to see how a cars self driving works on youtube is any different.
      - ChuckNorris89 3y ago
        Because you can (and should) test drive a car for yourself before dropping hella' stacks on one. Random people on youtube can be, and often are, biased with their opinion.
        sebzim4500 3y ago
        You probably can't test drive the self driving feature though because it only works on about 50ft of road in Nevada. Hence why you would look it up on youtube, only to discover that no else was able to use it either for the same reason.
    - SoftTalker 3y ago
      Yes it's a ridiculous metric. People will post anything for views. A kid crashed an airplane to get YouTube views. Lots of stuff posted to YouTube can't really be taken for face value, a lot of people are are just gaming for views.
  - intrasight 3y ago
    I was curious so I went looking. I did not, in fact, find any customer videos of the Mercedes.
- spikels 3y ago
  The MB system will only in traffic jams on a handful of pre-mapped highways in Nevada. Not available to consumers yet. This is a purely regulatory achievement.
- mullingitover 3y ago
  Actually Honda was the first auto manufacturer to reach level 3.
x3874 3y ago
Oh come on. This supposed 'advantage' (ongoing myth like the one about their battery tech - hint: for years Tesls bought from Pana and for a while now also massively from CATL) is adversely played out on the shoulders of unsuspecting traffic participants that didn't sign up for this shitshow (firetruck operators, police officers, motorcycle riders, home owners, etc. etc.) Also Tesla openly stated to the CA DMV they operate FSD only on L2 (1), whileas recently MB was certified for L3 (2). I wouldn't even call Tesla's clusterfuck L2-capable. Just research number of disengaments per mile - and not as Tesla reports it, nothing published by Tesla is trustable. Also i could just refer to videos published by Musk cronies Gfilche and WholeMarsBlog that show massive decision errors by FSD over multiple, even recent revisions. Btw just (3)... Everything Tesla publishes or their cult members believe can be debunked. But why should i put up that effort here for others if those do just easily digest stories from the cult? EDIT: If you dont trust stuff published by Musk+Tesla opponents, then at least check out (4) he also now and then analyzes FSD crashes using Tesla recorded data. And you can all downvote me as you please, don't care. I am observing and studying this irresponsible heap of a tech company already 5 years next month. (1) https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a35785277/tesla-fsd-california-self-driving/ https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a35785277/tesla-fsd-califo... (2) https://group.mercedes-benz.com/innovation/product-innovation/autonomous-driving/drive-pilot-nevada.html https://group.mercedes-benz.com/innovation/product-innovatio... (3) https://www.autoevolution.com/news/the-new-wave-of-tesla-fsd-beta-testers-is-about-to-learn-an-expensive-lesson-215615.html https://www.autoevolution.com/news/the-new-wave-of-tesla-fsd... (4) https://twitter.com/greentheonly https://twitter.com/greentheonly
- fallingknife 3y ago
  The Mercedes L3 certification only applies to highways and for speeds less than 40mph. That has been a solved problem for years, so the L3 certification is not an indication of superior tech, but a trick to allow Mercedes salesmen to say "ours is L3 and Tesla is only L2."
timeon 3y ago
I would not form opinion based on YouTube's algorithm. Mine was less positive.

by TekMol 3y ago

wahnfrieden 3y ago

their technical advantage is measured in comparison to tests, not production consumer rollout which is confounded by risk appetite

kramerger 3y ago

The only company that has a level 3 self driving car is Mercedes-Benz. Besides, if you measure success by the number of YouTube videos then feel free to search for "Tesla self driving accident" and "Tesla quality issue" on YT

TekMol 3y ago
I don't see any Mercedes self driving videos on youtube by regular people. If that tech existed and was in customers hands, Im sure there were many such videos?
- ChuckNorris89 3y ago
  >I don't see any mercedes self driving videos on youtube by regular people What a weird metric to have, "videos on youtube of X". Has it occurred to you that more people post videos on youtube because they're influencers or just regular attention seekers cashing in for views because Tesla is overhyped and is the kind of thing that generates traction on social media? Maybe Mercedes owners, or those of any other brand, buy their car to drive it first, not show it off on youtube. For my next job, I'll work only at the company with the most videos on TikTok.
  - TekMol 3y ago
    There are more "driving my mercedes" videos on Youtube than "driving my tesla". Just nothing for self driving.
    - spikels 3y ago
      It’s not available to consumers and only works on a few pre-mapped highways a low speeds (i.e. traffic jams). This is a nothingburger.
  - _a9 3y ago
    It is absolutly not a weird metric. I (and a whole lotta other people) go to youtube to find real people testing and using real life things like keyboards, bikes, even other car brands, and so much more. I dont see how a person wanting to see how a cars self driving works on youtube is any different.
    - ChuckNorris89 3y ago
      Because you can (and should) test drive a car for yourself before dropping hella' stacks on one. Random people on youtube can be, and often are, biased with their opinion.
      - sebzim4500 3y ago
        You probably can't test drive the self driving feature though because it only works on about 50ft of road in Nevada. Hence why you would look it up on youtube, only to discover that no else was able to use it either for the same reason.
  - SoftTalker 3y ago
    Yes it's a ridiculous metric. People will post anything for views. A kid crashed an airplane to get YouTube views. Lots of stuff posted to YouTube can't really be taken for face value, a lot of people are are just gaming for views.
- intrasight 3y ago
  I was curious so I went looking. I did not, in fact, find any customer videos of the Mercedes.
spikels 3y ago
The MB system will only in traffic jams on a handful of pre-mapped highways in Nevada. Not available to consumers yet. This is a purely regulatory achievement.
mullingitover 3y ago
Actually Honda was the first auto manufacturer to reach level 3.

x3874 3y ago

Oh come on. This supposed 'advantage' (ongoing myth like the one about their battery tech - hint: for years Tesls bought from Pana and for a while now also massively from CATL) is adversely played out on the shoulders of unsuspecting traffic participants that didn't sign up for this shitshow (firetruck operators, police officers, motorcycle riders, home owners, etc. etc.) Also Tesla openly stated to the CA DMV they operate FSD only on L2 (1), whileas recently MB was certified for L3 (2). I wouldn't even call Tesla's clusterfuck L2-capable. Just research number of disengaments per mile - and not as Tesla reports it, nothing published by Tesla is trustable. Also i could just refer to videos published by Musk cronies Gfilche and WholeMarsBlog that show massive decision errors by FSD over multiple, even recent revisions. Btw just (3)... Everything Tesla publishes or their cult members believe can be debunked. But why should i put up that effort here for others if those do just easily digest stories from the cult? EDIT: If you dont trust stuff published by Musk+Tesla opponents, then at least check out (4) he also now and then analyzes FSD crashes using Tesla recorded data. And you can all downvote me as you please, don't care. I am observing and studying this irresponsible heap of a tech company already 5 years next month. (1) https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a35785277/tesla-fsd-california-self-driving/ https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a35785277/tesla-fsd-califo... (2) https://group.mercedes-benz.com/innovation/product-innovation/autonomous-driving/drive-pilot-nevada.html https://group.mercedes-benz.com/innovation/product-innovatio... (3) https://www.autoevolution.com/news/the-new-wave-of-tesla-fsd-beta-testers-is-about-to-learn-an-expensive-lesson-215615.html https://www.autoevolution.com/news/the-new-wave-of-tesla-fsd... (4) https://twitter.com/greentheonly https://twitter.com/greentheonly

fallingknife 3y ago
The Mercedes L3 certification only applies to highways and for speeds less than 40mph. That has been a solved problem for years, so the L3 certification is not an indication of superior tech, but a trick to allow Mercedes salesmen to say "ours is L3 and Tesla is only L2."

timeon 3y ago

I would not form opinion based on YouTube's algorithm. Mine was less positive.