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> I’m persuaded that one of the reasons European Americans underperform relative to Asian immigrants—especially at the bottom of the income spectrum—is that Asi

> I’m persuaded that one of the reasons European Americans underperform relative to Asian immigrants—especially at the bottom of the income spectrum—is that Asian families strongly discourage teenage preoccupation with sexual activity and relationships in favor of focusing energies on education No, it’s because the barriers to immigration are much higher to Asian immigrants than the people who already live here. You will also see this in Nigerian-American families. The effect goes away after a few generations, and in the case of black immigrants racism is so effective the effect goes away with their children.

rayiner 3y ago
> No, it’s because the barriers to immigration are much higher to Asian immigrants than the people who already live here Incorrect. By far the main vehicle for permanent immigration under American law is family reunification, which isn’t based on skills or education. A large fraction of the Asian American population is also refugees from countries like Vietnam and Korea. There are a huge number of poor Asian immigrants, and they vastly outperform similarly lower income European Americans: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/03/27/upshot/make-your-own-mobility-animation.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/03/27/upshot/make-y... (use the chart to compare economic outcomes of Asians in the bottom 1/5 to whites in the bottom 1/5). See also: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/2057150X20973802 https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/2057150X209738... (“Rather than being a class phenomenon, Asian cultural factors have important effects for most second-generation Asian Americans regardless of the socioeconomic status of their parents.”). The effect does go away over time, but that’s because kids adopt American culture. E.g. Mindy Kaling and her new show. Nigerian immigrants also outperform European Americans (and Asian anmericans) even after taking into account income and education: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/23780231211001971 https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/23780231211001971. Their parenting style tends to be extremely rigid and disciplined.

rayiner 3y ago

> No, it’s because the barriers to immigration are much higher to Asian immigrants than the people who already live here Incorrect. By far the main vehicle for permanent immigration under American law is family reunification, which isn’t based on skills or education. A large fraction of the Asian American population is also refugees from countries like Vietnam and Korea. There are a huge number of poor Asian immigrants, and they vastly outperform similarly lower income European Americans: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/03/27/upshot/make-your-own-mobility-animation.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/03/27/upshot/make-y... (use the chart to compare economic outcomes of Asians in the bottom 1/5 to whites in the bottom 1/5). See also: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/2057150X20973802 https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/2057150X209738... (“Rather than being a class phenomenon, Asian cultural factors have important effects for most second-generation Asian Americans regardless of the socioeconomic status of their parents.”). The effect does go away over time, but that’s because kids adopt American culture. E.g. Mindy Kaling and her new show. Nigerian immigrants also outperform European Americans (and Asian anmericans) even after taking into account income and education: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/23780231211001971 https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/23780231211001971. Their parenting style tends to be extremely rigid and disciplined.