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I’ll be honest, as someone old enough to have lived through the animosity, I never thought I’d live to see this. I’m glad they acknowledged the history and bad

I’ll be honest, as someone old enough to have lived through the animosity, I never thought I’d live to see this. I’m glad they acknowledged the history and bad blood caused by Balmer et al. Rolling their own distro makes sense in that context. I wish them well. Strange times!

seanhunter 3y ago
I feel exactly the same way. I also feel like Microsoft's recent strategic moves (eg the AI-powered content graph thing they announced at Build[1]) are really interesting. It's so incredibly strange to anyone who lived through Ballmer, the SCO suit etc to see this. [1] https://devblogs.microsoft.com/microsoft365dev/build-2023-building-apps-that-bring-together-ai-and-collaboration/ https://devblogs.microsoft.com/microsoft365dev/build-2023-bu...
- reaperman 3y ago
  > lived through the SCO suit I understand what you mean, I was there in 2003 as well. However, the youngest among us have also "lived through the SCO suit". The "final" SCO suits were only settled in November 2021 and in fact, the group which inherited SCO Linux has filed brand new suits in 2021 as well[0]. Note that SCO went bankrupt a decade before their lawsuits were wrapped up. The legal action was ongoing for 19 years. Something to remember when there's a potential you may have to fight someone with deep pockets, regardless if you're in the right. Even bankrupting your attacker may not spell the beginning of the end for your legal troubles. 0: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/04/xinuos-finishes-picking-up-scos-mantle-by-suing-red-hat-and-ibm/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/04/xinuos-finishes-pick...
  - seanhunter 3y ago
    Sure but the period I'm talking about is the "groklaw"/Boies Schiller Flexner period.
_a_a_a_ 3y ago
I'll be blunt: you're a fool if you believe they've changed. EEE is still in their blood and always will be. Small example, I have to use Outlook at work and it's quite noticeable that they've broken RFC 3986 ("Using <> angle brackets around each URI is especially recommended as a delimiting style for a reference that contains embedded whitespace") More to the point especially in my job, they very noticeably broken the SQL standard, and keep doing things to make my professional life harder. You are really, really naïve if you think they've changed.
- quickthrower2 3y ago
  Look at win 11 too. The ads and news shit. How outlook has to open edge until one day it pops up an option not to but begs you not to take the option. The telemetry. The need for an MS account to install it (or find a workaround not to).
hdjjhhvvhga 3y ago
I have a colleague who thinks the same and I can't believe one could be so naive. Nobody cares about Ballmer & co. anymore: what's important is what MS is doing now. And they show utter contempt for the user, right from the moment when they try to create an account, to the point when they try to use their system with spamware in the start menu and fraudulent links on the home page of their default browser. Of course they have to support Linux on Azure otherwise they would lose customers, but this is just a pragmatic approach and you can be sure they will do whatever is necessary just to make money, whether it's using Linux or anything else.

seanhunter 3y ago

I feel exactly the same way. I also feel like Microsoft's recent strategic moves (eg the AI-powered content graph thing they announced at Build[1]) are really interesting. It's so incredibly strange to anyone who lived through Ballmer, the SCO suit etc to see this. [1] https://devblogs.microsoft.com/microsoft365dev/build-2023-building-apps-that-bring-together-ai-and-collaboration/ https://devblogs.microsoft.com/microsoft365dev/build-2023-bu...

reaperman 3y ago
> lived through the SCO suit I understand what you mean, I was there in 2003 as well. However, the youngest among us have also "lived through the SCO suit". The "final" SCO suits were only settled in November 2021 and in fact, the group which inherited SCO Linux has filed brand new suits in 2021 as well[0]. Note that SCO went bankrupt a decade before their lawsuits were wrapped up. The legal action was ongoing for 19 years. Something to remember when there's a potential you may have to fight someone with deep pockets, regardless if you're in the right. Even bankrupting your attacker may not spell the beginning of the end for your legal troubles. 0: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/04/xinuos-finishes-picking-up-scos-mantle-by-suing-red-hat-and-ibm/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/04/xinuos-finishes-pick...
- seanhunter 3y ago
  Sure but the period I'm talking about is the "groklaw"/Boies Schiller Flexner period.

_a_a_a_ 3y ago

I'll be blunt: you're a fool if you believe they've changed. EEE is still in their blood and always will be. Small example, I have to use Outlook at work and it's quite noticeable that they've broken RFC 3986 ("Using <> angle brackets around each URI is especially recommended as a delimiting style for a reference that contains embedded whitespace") More to the point especially in my job, they very noticeably broken the SQL standard, and keep doing things to make my professional life harder. You are really, really naïve if you think they've changed.

quickthrower2 3y ago
Look at win 11 too. The ads and news shit. How outlook has to open edge until one day it pops up an option not to but begs you not to take the option. The telemetry. The need for an MS account to install it (or find a workaround not to).

hdjjhhvvhga 3y ago

I have a colleague who thinks the same and I can't believe one could be so naive. Nobody cares about Ballmer & co. anymore: what's important is what MS is doing now. And they show utter contempt for the user, right from the moment when they try to create an account, to the point when they try to use their system with spamware in the start menu and fraudulent links on the home page of their default browser. Of course they have to support Linux on Azure otherwise they would lose customers, but this is just a pragmatic approach and you can be sure they will do whatever is necessary just to make money, whether it's using Linux or anything else.