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So what you're saying is any library can ban a book?

by refurb 3y ago

woodruffw 3y ago
I don’t understand. Did you think that you could just spam libraries with books before this law? Libraries refusing to stock whatever mystery material is thrown at them is a logistical concern, not a matter of “banning.” Confusing the two borders on legal crank reasoning.
- sangnoir 3y ago
  > Did you think that you could just spam libraries with books before this law? Semantic games - especially false equivalences - are part and parcel of the culture wars. "Book bans are fine because librarians have been 'banning' books. Checkmate"
sangnoir 3y ago
Curation =/= banning. Telling curators (librarians) "You can't have any book on this list even if you want them, or you'll go to jail" is banning books.
- tomp 3y ago
  What’s the practical difference though? Someone still decides the book is not gonna be there, mostly for ideological reasons. I guess if you agree with those reasons, it’s “curation”, if you don’t, it’s “banning”.
  - lelanthran 3y ago
    > What’s the practical difference though? The practical difference is that, in one case, the taxpayers collectively decide what's appropriate for their children and what is not. In the other case, a single (or a few) individuals decide what is appropriate for all the taxpayers children. I don't understand why some people think it's better to ignore the wishes of the voters.
  - sangnoir 3y ago
    > I guess if you agree with those reasons, it’s “curation”, if you don’t, it’s “banning”. Curation is part of the job for librarians, and it's a specialized skill. I don't have to agree with an ideology to accept what they do is curation - a Librarian in a Taliban library still curates their collection regardless of my endorsement of Sharia. If they are instructed by Kabul to remove specific texts, then it's a ban. Someone decides what music gets played on radio and what the TV lineup looks like and calling that selection "banning" is reaching IMO . When the legislature is coming up with a blacklist, then it's blatantly "banning" to me

So what you're saying is any library can ban a book?

by refurb 3y ago

So what you're saying is any library can ban a book?

I don’t understand. Did you think that you could just spam libraries with books before this law? Libraries refusing to stock whatever mystery material is thrown at them is a logistical concern, not a matter of “banning.” Confusing the two borders on legal crank reasoning.

sangnoir 3y ago
> Did you think that you could just spam libraries with books before this law? Semantic games - especially false equivalences - are part and parcel of the culture wars. "Book bans are fine because librarians have been 'banning' books. Checkmate"

sangnoir 3y ago

Curation =/= banning. Telling curators (librarians) "You can't have any book on this list even if you want them, or you'll go to jail" is banning books.

tomp 3y ago
What’s the practical difference though? Someone still decides the book is not gonna be there, mostly for ideological reasons. I guess if you agree with those reasons, it’s “curation”, if you don’t, it’s “banning”.
- lelanthran 3y ago
  > What’s the practical difference though? The practical difference is that, in one case, the taxpayers collectively decide what's appropriate for their children and what is not. In the other case, a single (or a few) individuals decide what is appropriate for all the taxpayers children. I don't understand why some people think it's better to ignore the wishes of the voters.
- sangnoir 3y ago
  > I guess if you agree with those reasons, it’s “curation”, if you don’t, it’s “banning”. Curation is part of the job for librarians, and it's a specialized skill. I don't have to agree with an ideology to accept what they do is curation - a Librarian in a Taliban library still curates their collection regardless of my endorsement of Sharia. If they are instructed by Kabul to remove specific texts, then it's a ban. Someone decides what music gets played on radio and what the TV lineup looks like and calling that selection "banning" is reaching IMO . When the legislature is coming up with a blacklist, then it's blatantly "banning" to me