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Responding to a plea not to eat octopuses with a recipe suggestion seems designed to just cause suffering, and I'm not talking about the octopuses. At least pre

Responding to a plea not to eat octopuses with a recipe suggestion seems designed to just cause suffering, and I'm not talking about the octopuses. At least present an argument if you have a different viewpoint.

NavinF 3y ago
There's nothing for me argue against. GP said "stopping once you know that is a moral imperative" as if that didn't need any arguments in favor. If you want a counterexample, languages models are intelligent enough to write essays asking for asylum but that doesn't mean any sane person would give a language model rights. There's no moral imperative to not kill something just because it's intelligent. I also think Takoyaki is highly relevant because if octopus wasn't delicious, nobody would want to eat it in the first place and we wouldn't be having this discussion.
- barbazoo 3y ago
  > Takoyaki (たこ焼き or 蛸焼) is a ball-shaped Japanese snack made of a wheat flour-based batter and cooked in a special molded pan. It is typically filled with minced or diced octopus (tako), tempura scraps (tenkasu), pickled ginger (beni shoga), and green onion (negi).[1][2] The balls are brushed with takoyaki sauce (similar to Worcestershire sauce) and mayonnaise, and then sprinkled with green laver (aonori) and shavings of dried bonito (katsuobushi). Most things would taste delicious with those ingredients. Probably even Tofu :)
- elzbardico 3y ago
  If anything I could be compelled to eat them to partake in their intelligence, ritualistically speaking.
brutusborn 3y ago
If hearing an opposing view causes you suffering, then the onus is on you to either accept the suffering, or leave the public space so as to avoid additional suffering. I found the parent comment more offensive than the reply - proselytising morality rather than framing it as an open question. I find it very patronising.

NavinF 3y ago

There's nothing for me argue against. GP said "stopping once you know that is a moral imperative" as if that didn't need any arguments in favor. If you want a counterexample, languages models are intelligent enough to write essays asking for asylum but that doesn't mean any sane person would give a language model rights. There's no moral imperative to not kill something just because it's intelligent. I also think Takoyaki is highly relevant because if octopus wasn't delicious, nobody would want to eat it in the first place and we wouldn't be having this discussion.

barbazoo 3y ago
> Takoyaki (たこ焼き or 蛸焼) is a ball-shaped Japanese snack made of a wheat flour-based batter and cooked in a special molded pan. It is typically filled with minced or diced octopus (tako), tempura scraps (tenkasu), pickled ginger (beni shoga), and green onion (negi).[1][2] The balls are brushed with takoyaki sauce (similar to Worcestershire sauce) and mayonnaise, and then sprinkled with green laver (aonori) and shavings of dried bonito (katsuobushi). Most things would taste delicious with those ingredients. Probably even Tofu :)
elzbardico 3y ago
If anything I could be compelled to eat them to partake in their intelligence, ritualistically speaking.

brutusborn 3y ago

If hearing an opposing view causes you suffering, then the onus is on you to either accept the suffering, or leave the public space so as to avoid additional suffering. I found the parent comment more offensive than the reply - proselytising morality rather than framing it as an open question. I find it very patronising.