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Having seen what happens to the elderly, barring trustworthy family which live close by to keep a close eye on them - everyone around such older folks is trying

by RajT88 3y ago

Having seen what happens to the elderly, barring trustworthy family which live close by to keep a close eye on them - everyone around such older folks is trying to actively exploit them. It's disgusting. I had a friend whose incredibly senile grandmother got taken for a few hundred grand by scammers. Neighbors talked her into selling her cars to them for a dollar. Some of her children talked her into changing her will to remove other siblings for whatever inheritance was left. Those children were already wealthy and didn't need the money, relative to the siblings which got cut out. It's bigger than just private companies. They just want to beat everyone else to the punch. The elderly are a target for all manner of predators. I said it once, but it bears repeating: It's disgusting.

jjeaff 3y ago
All of that is terrible. But for some reason, the neighbors convincing her to sell her cars to them for a $1 really rubs me the wrong way. You hope that neighbors are going to look after an elderly person. I'd be having some words with those neighbors. And then maybe some full page ads in the local newspaper explaining the situation. Maybe a billboard and some yard signage as well.
- WalterBright 3y ago
  It seems to me that such transactions are obvious examples of elder abuse, which is against the law and actionable.
  - specialist 3y ago
    Our uncle was similarly scammed. We tried to act. The local sheriff wouldn't proceed unless our uncle said he was robbed. Of course, uncle thought he'd invested that money (and still expected a huge payout). So sad, because uncle had been quite savvy about money, before the dementia. I don't know what the cure all preventative fix is. Maybe securing power of attorney earlier? Our father wisely set up trusts decades ago, which did help us protect our mom later on. And after seeing other families tear themselves apart over inheritances, I am deeply grateful my siblings and our kids won't go thru that. (Fingers crossed.)
    - WalterBright 3y ago
      > Maybe securing power of attorney earlier? You can do that with a doctor asserting him as incompetent. You'll need a lawyer.
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Originami 3y ago
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fithisux 3y ago
Elderly got recycled, that is what happens. You are right "It's bigger than just private companies." It has to do with the society. There is some respect for elderly still surviving in Hellas, but it is dwindling.
WalterBright 3y ago
> talked her into changing her will This would require an estate lawyer. The person needs to be of sound mind to change the will, and if the estate lawyer changed the will of an obviously impaired person, that should be actionable in court.
- tasuki 3y ago
  Is "sound mind" a binary thing? Isn't it more the case that we're all somewhere between 0 and 1 ?
  - WalterBright 3y ago
    These sound like cases of obvious impairment. As my elder relatives sank into dementia, it gets pretty obvious if you spend a few minutes talking with them. One banker questioned the validity of my power of attorney when taking over my dad's accounts. (I was glad he questioned it.) I said the nursing home was about 1/4 mile away, and he was welcome to go and verify for himself his mental competence. Frankly, I had waited far too long to do this. In denial, I suppose.
- pyuser583 3y ago
  I don’t think a lawyer is required.
kepler1 3y ago
Well, just like the giant oak that falls and gives nourishment to the forest saplings seeking to grow, so do senile old people give away their wealth to young hungry people in other countries seeking to sustain their internet scam businesses. Just kidding. Although, maybe not totally. You wonder, when someone gets to some certain old age and is totally out of it, yet has tons of wealth tied up and doing no one any good, what is that money for except to be given to the next generation? I guess, some of it unwitting, hopefully more of it in a deliberate fashion to those it was intended for.... If granny can't even tell that $300k of her savings is gone, what's the problem then? Aside from her kids no longer being able to be the recipients of it. God, I hope that I am able to realize that I'm reaching such a state and actively choose to give away my control of my assets to someone trustworthy, before I get scammed.
- 908B64B197 3y ago
  > Well, just like the giant oak that falls and gives nourishment to the forest saplings seeking to grow, so do senile old people give away their wealth to young hungry people in other countries seeking to sustain their internet scam businesses. Why aren't these young, hungry people building something of value instead of stealing from abroad?
  - RajT88 3y ago
    It hasn't escaped my notice that most of the scammers come from former British colonies. Make of that what you will.
    - 908B64B197 3y ago
      In the French speaking world they come from the former French colonies (Côte d'Ivoire or Algeria).
- NoRelToEmber 3y ago
  > has tons of wealth tied up and doing no one any good Don't confuse money with wealth. Money has no intrinsic value, so "unleashing" that money would only devalue other money, and not bring any kind of holistic benefit to the global population. In other words, if you add a zero to the end of every bill and bank account, there's 10x as much money, but nobody is any better off.
_siis 3y ago
Its immoral and horrific. My grandpa's wife (remarried) passed not too long ago. She passed because they kept juggling her back and forth between skilled nursing, hospital, and hospice. She couldn't speak or communicate effectively because of a medical condition. Hospital marked her as NPO (no food, trouble swallowing), discharged her without resolving that back to skilled nursing (still NPO), and she went more than 10 days without any food or drink aside from saline IV, just waiting. It took a family member visiting and researching what NPO was on the chart, the gaunt look, and threatening a lawsuit before they finally took action and gave her a feeding tube (back to the hospital) before the talk "its not about the Quantity, but the Quality of Life"... She didn't survive long after and passed within a month. Likely because of the sharp spike of no food, followed by food in her weakened condition. During one of my visits for another family member (different facility) I overheard one of the staff on a smoke break outside insensitively joking with co-workers that the standard care is "skill em till they kill em". I asked a friend who happened to have worked in medical/hospice, and they said its not uncommon to hear that among staff but they shouldn't have been saying that openly with patients or relatives nearby. Absolutely horrific, there are no words that do justice or communicate the horror that awaits older people in these places.
WeylandYutani 3y ago
This is society enforcing the norm of good parentage. Love your children and they will one day take care of you.

by RajT88 3y ago

jjeaff 3y ago

All of that is terrible. But for some reason, the neighbors convincing her to sell her cars to them for a $1 really rubs me the wrong way. You hope that neighbors are going to look after an elderly person. I'd be having some words with those neighbors. And then maybe some full page ads in the local newspaper explaining the situation. Maybe a billboard and some yard signage as well.

WalterBright 3y ago
It seems to me that such transactions are obvious examples of elder abuse, which is against the law and actionable.
- specialist 3y ago
  Our uncle was similarly scammed. We tried to act. The local sheriff wouldn't proceed unless our uncle said he was robbed. Of course, uncle thought he'd invested that money (and still expected a huge payout). So sad, because uncle had been quite savvy about money, before the dementia. I don't know what the cure all preventative fix is. Maybe securing power of attorney earlier? Our father wisely set up trusts decades ago, which did help us protect our mom later on. And after seeing other families tear themselves apart over inheritances, I am deeply grateful my siblings and our kids won't go thru that. (Fingers crossed.)
  - WalterBright 3y ago
    > Maybe securing power of attorney earlier? You can do that with a doctor asserting him as incompetent. You'll need a lawyer.

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Originami 3y ago

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fithisux 3y ago

Elderly got recycled, that is what happens. You are right "It's bigger than just private companies." It has to do with the society. There is some respect for elderly still surviving in Hellas, but it is dwindling.

WalterBright 3y ago

> talked her into changing her will This would require an estate lawyer. The person needs to be of sound mind to change the will, and if the estate lawyer changed the will of an obviously impaired person, that should be actionable in court.

tasuki 3y ago
Is "sound mind" a binary thing? Isn't it more the case that we're all somewhere between 0 and 1 ?
- WalterBright 3y ago
  These sound like cases of obvious impairment. As my elder relatives sank into dementia, it gets pretty obvious if you spend a few minutes talking with them. One banker questioned the validity of my power of attorney when taking over my dad's accounts. (I was glad he questioned it.) I said the nursing home was about 1/4 mile away, and he was welcome to go and verify for himself his mental competence. Frankly, I had waited far too long to do this. In denial, I suppose.
pyuser583 3y ago
I don’t think a lawyer is required.

kepler1 3y ago

Well, just like the giant oak that falls and gives nourishment to the forest saplings seeking to grow, so do senile old people give away their wealth to young hungry people in other countries seeking to sustain their internet scam businesses. Just kidding. Although, maybe not totally. You wonder, when someone gets to some certain old age and is totally out of it, yet has tons of wealth tied up and doing no one any good, what is that money for except to be given to the next generation? I guess, some of it unwitting, hopefully more of it in a deliberate fashion to those it was intended for.... If granny can't even tell that $300k of her savings is gone, what's the problem then? Aside from her kids no longer being able to be the recipients of it. God, I hope that I am able to realize that I'm reaching such a state and actively choose to give away my control of my assets to someone trustworthy, before I get scammed.

908B64B197 3y ago
> Well, just like the giant oak that falls and gives nourishment to the forest saplings seeking to grow, so do senile old people give away their wealth to young hungry people in other countries seeking to sustain their internet scam businesses. Why aren't these young, hungry people building something of value instead of stealing from abroad?
- RajT88 3y ago
  It hasn't escaped my notice that most of the scammers come from former British colonies. Make of that what you will.
  - 908B64B197 3y ago
    In the French speaking world they come from the former French colonies (Côte d'Ivoire or Algeria).
NoRelToEmber 3y ago
> has tons of wealth tied up and doing no one any good Don't confuse money with wealth. Money has no intrinsic value, so "unleashing" that money would only devalue other money, and not bring any kind of holistic benefit to the global population. In other words, if you add a zero to the end of every bill and bank account, there's 10x as much money, but nobody is any better off.

_siis 3y ago

Its immoral and horrific. My grandpa's wife (remarried) passed not too long ago. She passed because they kept juggling her back and forth between skilled nursing, hospital, and hospice. She couldn't speak or communicate effectively because of a medical condition. Hospital marked her as NPO (no food, trouble swallowing), discharged her without resolving that back to skilled nursing (still NPO), and she went more than 10 days without any food or drink aside from saline IV, just waiting. It took a family member visiting and researching what NPO was on the chart, the gaunt look, and threatening a lawsuit before they finally took action and gave her a feeding tube (back to the hospital) before the talk "its not about the Quantity, but the Quality of Life"... She didn't survive long after and passed within a month. Likely because of the sharp spike of no food, followed by food in her weakened condition. During one of my visits for another family member (different facility) I overheard one of the staff on a smoke break outside insensitively joking with co-workers that the standard care is "skill em till they kill em". I asked a friend who happened to have worked in medical/hospice, and they said its not uncommon to hear that among staff but they shouldn't have been saying that openly with patients or relatives nearby. Absolutely horrific, there are no words that do justice or communicate the horror that awaits older people in these places.

WeylandYutani 3y ago

This is society enforcing the norm of good parentage. Love your children and they will one day take care of you.