Nice podcast episode with him on the Ezra Klein show. https://podcasts.apple.com/br/podcast/the-ezra-klein-show/id1548604447?l=en https://podcasts.apple.com/br

Nice podcast episode with him on the Ezra Klein show. https://podcasts.apple.com/br/podcast/the-ezra-klein-show/id1548604447?l=en https://podcasts.apple.com/br/podcast/the-ezra-klein-show/id... https://overcast.fm/+oiPVWKYM0 https://overcast.fm/+oiPVWKYM0 Couldn’t get a direct link to the show at the NYT that didn’t involve a paywall.