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Yeah, why are the official rules of table craps part of the US legal code?

by ambyra 3y ago

pclmulqdq 3y ago
If you show up to a casino and don't play by its rules, that's fraud. If you show up to a chess tournament and use an engine to win $1 million, that's fraud, too. There's an implied contract when you play a game that you are going to play by the rules. This is why card counting isn't illegal, by the way, because it's within the rules of the game. Same with understanding the imbalances in a roulette wheel. See: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2023-04-06/how-to-beat-roulette-big-take https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2023-04-06/how-to...
- SoftTalker 3y ago
  Although card counting isn't illegal, it's also not tolerated, and if they casino thinks you are doing it you'll be asked to leave, or escorted out.
- kelnos 3y ago
  Right, but casinos hate card counters, and will kick them out if they discover what's going on. So why isn't card counting simply against the rules of the game? Seems pretty ridiculous for a casino to get to write laws in the first place. But then we have some game rules that, if broken, are arbitrarily promoted to criminal acts, while others will simply get you corrected or booted. Seems pretty messed up.
School-Cotton 3y ago
It is the Nevada legal code, not the US one, and the rules of craps don’t have to be part of it, there just needs to be a law that says if you intentionally violate the rules of a game in order to make it non-random, that’s a crime. But it wouldn’t be crazy if the rules of games were defined by statute — they are in Pennsylvania, for example (or at least blackjack is).
- pclmulqdq 3y ago
  The Nevada Gaming Commission maintains the rules, but I'm pretty sure they aren't statutes and the NGC can change them without passing a law (and they have done this for slot machine randomness, by the way). In many states without a gaming commission, the rules of gambling games are defined by statute.

Yeah, why are the official rules of table craps part of the US legal code?

by ambyra 3y ago

Yeah, why are the official rules of table craps part of the US legal code?

If you show up to a casino and don't play by its rules, that's fraud. If you show up to a chess tournament and use an engine to win $1 million, that's fraud, too. There's an implied contract when you play a game that you are going to play by the rules. This is why card counting isn't illegal, by the way, because it's within the rules of the game. Same with understanding the imbalances in a roulette wheel. See: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2023-04-06/how-to-beat-roulette-big-take https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2023-04-06/how-to...

SoftTalker 3y ago
Although card counting isn't illegal, it's also not tolerated, and if they casino thinks you are doing it you'll be asked to leave, or escorted out.
kelnos 3y ago
Right, but casinos hate card counters, and will kick them out if they discover what's going on. So why isn't card counting simply against the rules of the game? Seems pretty ridiculous for a casino to get to write laws in the first place. But then we have some game rules that, if broken, are arbitrarily promoted to criminal acts, while others will simply get you corrected or booted. Seems pretty messed up.

School-Cotton 3y ago

It is the Nevada legal code, not the US one, and the rules of craps don’t have to be part of it, there just needs to be a law that says if you intentionally violate the rules of a game in order to make it non-random, that’s a crime. But it wouldn’t be crazy if the rules of games were defined by statute — they are in Pennsylvania, for example (or at least blackjack is).

pclmulqdq 3y ago
The Nevada Gaming Commission maintains the rules, but I'm pretty sure they aren't statutes and the NGC can change them without passing a law (and they have done this for slot machine randomness, by the way). In many states without a gaming commission, the rules of gambling games are defined by statute.