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I agree that this is concerning. I'd also say that the only thing worse than PE running these would be the government running them (see Canada). This is a natur

I agree that this is concerning. I'd also say that the only thing worse than PE running these would be the government running them (see Canada). This is a natural role for religious organizations (I'm not religious) and I don't know what most logically could take their place that would actually care about people. (Companies sort of have to due to competition, but after profits, governments don't have to care at all). Ideally incentivizing nonprofits to run these and disencentivizing for profit ownership it probably most reasonable.

funac 3y ago
I'm not sure religious organizations (or, at least, the religious organizations which would realistically be involved) have a very good record of running institutions that involve significant power asymmetries
ska 3y ago
> PE running these would be the government running them (see Canada). I know there were a lot of problems in the Canadian system caused by or exposed by Covid, but weren't the worst of them private companies in some sort of private-public deal not, as your wording suggests, the government running them? I may be misremembering. Somewhat like the US state-to-state variability, province-to-province is quite different also I suspect.
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renewiltord 3y ago
Meanwhile, the religious organizations in Canada https://www.npr.org/2022/07/25/1113498723/pope-francis-apology-canada-residential-schools-indigenous-children https://www.npr.org/2022/07/25/1113498723/pope-francis-apolo...
jancsika 3y ago
> (see Canada). Thanks, I've never seen intricacies of Canadian health care system explained quite as clearly and succinctly as this. :) I can't help but think of that complete set of Beatles transcriptions where the orchestral build-up in "A Day in the Life" is a single staff titled "Orchestra" with a rising line drawn on it.
- version_five 3y ago
  I'll take that as a compliment!
fallingfrog 3y ago
Depends on what you mean by "government". For example I can imagine my local city government running the hospice and doing it very well. I like my city council though. I think they're generally honest and are doing the best job they can.
dghlsakjg 3y ago
Americans (I'm assuming you live in America), love to point to the Canadian health care system as some sort of failure. Does it have its problems? Yes. Do Canadians think that American healthcare is a better system? Actions indicate: No. How do I know? 90% of Canadians live close enough to the border to hop over and visit a doctor and be home in the same day. That's incredibly rare to do. The few Canadians I've met who think its better in the US have either never dealt with the US system, or have only dealt with it in terms of very high end plans provided by an employer. As someone who has lived in both countries, and dealt with US healthcare (ACA, and pre-ACA). I never want to deal with US healthcare again. Last time I lived in the states my premiums were ~7% of my take home pay. That's a massive "tax" to pay, and that's before you actually see a doctor. So yeah. Canada had issues with care homes during Covid, but the correct point of comparison isn't top-notch private care homes in the US (A majority of Canadian care-homes are private anyway, so we have the same high end thing here). It is to compare the free public care homes in Canada with people dying at home in the US because they can't afford any care at all.

funac 3y ago

I'm not sure religious organizations (or, at least, the religious organizations which would realistically be involved) have a very good record of running institutions that involve significant power asymmetries

ska 3y ago

> PE running these would be the government running them (see Canada). I know there were a lot of problems in the Canadian system caused by or exposed by Covid, but weren't the worst of them private companies in some sort of private-public deal not, as your wording suggests, the government running them? I may be misremembering. Somewhat like the US state-to-state variability, province-to-province is quite different also I suspect.

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renewiltord 3y ago

Meanwhile, the religious organizations in Canada https://www.npr.org/2022/07/25/1113498723/pope-francis-apology-canada-residential-schools-indigenous-children https://www.npr.org/2022/07/25/1113498723/pope-francis-apolo...

jancsika 3y ago

> (see Canada). Thanks, I've never seen intricacies of Canadian health care system explained quite as clearly and succinctly as this. :) I can't help but think of that complete set of Beatles transcriptions where the orchestral build-up in "A Day in the Life" is a single staff titled "Orchestra" with a rising line drawn on it.

version_five 3y ago
I'll take that as a compliment!

fallingfrog 3y ago

Depends on what you mean by "government". For example I can imagine my local city government running the hospice and doing it very well. I like my city council though. I think they're generally honest and are doing the best job they can.

dghlsakjg 3y ago

Americans (I'm assuming you live in America), love to point to the Canadian health care system as some sort of failure. Does it have its problems? Yes. Do Canadians think that American healthcare is a better system? Actions indicate: No. How do I know? 90% of Canadians live close enough to the border to hop over and visit a doctor and be home in the same day. That's incredibly rare to do. The few Canadians I've met who think its better in the US have either never dealt with the US system, or have only dealt with it in terms of very high end plans provided by an employer. As someone who has lived in both countries, and dealt with US healthcare (ACA, and pre-ACA). I never want to deal with US healthcare again. Last time I lived in the states my premiums were ~7% of my take home pay. That's a massive "tax" to pay, and that's before you actually see a doctor. So yeah. Canada had issues with care homes during Covid, but the correct point of comparison isn't top-notch private care homes in the US (A majority of Canadian care-homes are private anyway, so we have the same high end thing here). It is to compare the free public care homes in Canada with people dying at home in the US because they can't afford any care at all.