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Honestly, if you bring this into a government area, then you will probably get shot on sight if you are seen by security. To be safer and a little bit more stea

Honestly, if you bring this into a government area, then you will probably get shot on sight if you are seen by security. To be safer and a little bit more stealthy, maybe try disguising it as a soda can or a door stop.

tb 15y ago
It's an art piece, not a serious piece of espionage equipment, hence its form reflects its (symbolic) function.
- iamdave 15y ago
  I don't think armed guards see the silhouette of a grenade, a device that can maim, wound, injure or worse kill a number of people in the terms of "espionage".
  - indiecore 15y ago
    I think you've missed the point
- pippy 15y ago
  If any security personal saw a transparent plastic flashing light shaped like a grenade they'd likely write it off as a trinket.
brian_cloutier 15y ago
I had the impression this was a bit of a joke, for that reason. "No sir don't mind me while I pull the pin on this grenade here, continue with the meeting." The android app for rooted phones is a great idea though. That's much easier to run in promiscuous mode and sneak past everybody.
- zackzackzack 15y ago
  I like the android app too. My comment was more of a "Please don't get shot" type of thing. I really like it when artists who do this sort of work stay alive.
- mkramlich 15y ago
  If there's a list of things NOT to ever make a joke about it in public, then near the top of the list would be combat explosives.
  - burgerbrain 15y ago
    Nothing is off limits for art exhibits.
    - mkramlich 15y ago
      One man walks up to another, pulls out a gun, fires and kills the other. When apprehended, he says, "But... I'm an artist!" Clearly, some things are off limits for art exhibits.
      - burgerbrain 15y ago
        The portrayal of such an act could clearly be art. You are just being absurd.
kennu 15y ago
I think that depends on which government we would be talking about. I don't think they all shoot people on sight.
- tokenadult 15y ago
  I think that depends on which government we would be talking about. How much judicial process a person would get, and whether the person with the transparency grenade would be killed with or without judicial process, would indeed vary from one government to another. But it would be a rare government that would forget about searching people thought to have grenades with them in secure areas as a CONSISTENT practice. (Counterexamples to what I just wrote: A confidant of Hitler was able to bring a briefcase containing a bomb into a meeting with Hitler. http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/july/20/newsid_3505000/3505014.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/july/20/new... A group of CIA operatives were assassinated by a person they believed to be an informant, who was actually a Taliban double agent. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB126225941186711671.html http://online.wsj.com/article/SB126225941186711671.html So maybe someone attempting to penetrate a secure area, especially a trusted person, might get lucky bringing in a transparency grenade, even in the artist's intentionally provocative form. But in the general case, it is probably wiser to use better tradecraft and disguise the spying device as something harmless that belongs in the secure area.) The more serious suggestion in the page submitted here is that perhaps we can all live a little more freely if only we can find out what is being deliberated by the most secretive regimes, the regimes from whose territories we most rarely see posts on Hacker News.
  - yread 15y ago
    Not that it has any connection to the thread but you missed my favourite: leader of the Northern Alliance assassinated by two fake reporters with the bomb hidden in a video camera on 9/9/01 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_Shah_Massoud#Assassination http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_Shah_Massoud#Assassinatio...
- jonhendry 15y ago
  If you are seen pulling the pin from a grenade, you're likely to be shot on sight.

tb 15y ago

It's an art piece, not a serious piece of espionage equipment, hence its form reflects its (symbolic) function.

iamdave 15y ago
I don't think armed guards see the silhouette of a grenade, a device that can maim, wound, injure or worse kill a number of people in the terms of "espionage".
- indiecore 15y ago
  I think you've missed the point
pippy 15y ago
If any security personal saw a transparent plastic flashing light shaped like a grenade they'd likely write it off as a trinket.

brian_cloutier 15y ago

I had the impression this was a bit of a joke, for that reason. "No sir don't mind me while I pull the pin on this grenade here, continue with the meeting." The android app for rooted phones is a great idea though. That's much easier to run in promiscuous mode and sneak past everybody.

zackzackzack 15y ago
I like the android app too. My comment was more of a "Please don't get shot" type of thing. I really like it when artists who do this sort of work stay alive.
mkramlich 15y ago
If there's a list of things NOT to ever make a joke about it in public, then near the top of the list would be combat explosives.
- burgerbrain 15y ago
  Nothing is off limits for art exhibits.
  - mkramlich 15y ago
    One man walks up to another, pulls out a gun, fires and kills the other. When apprehended, he says, "But... I'm an artist!" Clearly, some things are off limits for art exhibits.
    - burgerbrain 15y ago
      The portrayal of such an act could clearly be art. You are just being absurd.

kennu 15y ago

I think that depends on which government we would be talking about. I don't think they all shoot people on sight.

tokenadult 15y ago
I think that depends on which government we would be talking about. How much judicial process a person would get, and whether the person with the transparency grenade would be killed with or without judicial process, would indeed vary from one government to another. But it would be a rare government that would forget about searching people thought to have grenades with them in secure areas as a CONSISTENT practice. (Counterexamples to what I just wrote: A confidant of Hitler was able to bring a briefcase containing a bomb into a meeting with Hitler. http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/july/20/newsid_3505000/3505014.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/july/20/new... A group of CIA operatives were assassinated by a person they believed to be an informant, who was actually a Taliban double agent. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB126225941186711671.html http://online.wsj.com/article/SB126225941186711671.html So maybe someone attempting to penetrate a secure area, especially a trusted person, might get lucky bringing in a transparency grenade, even in the artist's intentionally provocative form. But in the general case, it is probably wiser to use better tradecraft and disguise the spying device as something harmless that belongs in the secure area.) The more serious suggestion in the page submitted here is that perhaps we can all live a little more freely if only we can find out what is being deliberated by the most secretive regimes, the regimes from whose territories we most rarely see posts on Hacker News.
- yread 15y ago
  Not that it has any connection to the thread but you missed my favourite: leader of the Northern Alliance assassinated by two fake reporters with the bomb hidden in a video camera on 9/9/01 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_Shah_Massoud#Assassination http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_Shah_Massoud#Assassinatio...
jonhendry 15y ago
If you are seen pulling the pin from a grenade, you're likely to be shot on sight.