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My experience in the Netherlands is completely different than what you are saying. When not logged in, the front page is full of right to extreme right content

by bojan 3y ago

My experience in the Netherlands is completely different than what you are saying. When not logged in, the front page is full of right to extreme right content, always a click or two away from conspiracy theories and/or Thierry Baudet, the leader of the FvD, which is basically a neo nazi party.

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- AntiRemote 3y ago
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galoisscobi 3y ago
Don’t be evil, unless I guess it starts hurting the ad money.
eastbound 3y ago
So your experience is exactly the same: Online US-controlled media can create uprest, extremism, hate subgroups in foreign countries at will.
ipaddr 3y ago
Perhaps people in the Netherlands value right content over left content more than you realize.
- sangnoir 3y ago
  Or perhaps outrage increases engagement, and YouTube optimizes for engagement (i.e. ad revenue)
  - ipaddr 3y ago
    Their exists plenty of toxic leftish content that increases engagement.
antman 3y ago
Those look more like similar than completely different experiences.
jjeaff 3y ago
I noticed the same thing in the US. When logged in I get mostly suggestions of stuff I tend to watch, which includes a few left leaning commentators and some more centrist news sources like NPR. If I check logged out, I get tons of right wing, own-the-libs type content with a lot of "men's rights" stuff.
- bmarquez 3y ago
  > more centrist news sources like NPR NPR is not considered centrist, but left-leaning. When I check logged out I get CNN and Fox side by side, along with a lot of non-political basketball and Mr. Beast type stuff. Content probably varies on your IP address.
  - manicennui 3y ago
    NPR is only left-leaning when you ignore how far right all US politics are.
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  - jjeaff 3y ago
    Ya, only if your Overton window has been knocked completely out of whack by right wing extremism.
    - bmarquez 3y ago
      Even my self-proclaimed liberal friends admit NPR has a left-leaning bias. And there's nothing wrong with that. But calling everything disliked "extremist" is counterproductive and is itself an Overton window shift.
      - jjeaff 3y ago
        My point is that NPR is only left-leaning in comparison to other US outlets. But they are centrist to right leaning from a political science perspective. And I certainly don't call everything I dislike extremist. For example, does anyone really believe that no abortions, no exceptions, even in the case of rape of a minor is not extreme? We have 15 states right now in the US where that is the case and a large cadre of gop politicians that believe that is how it should be. And not only are those states enforcing this ban, some are going so far as to try to go after people who leave the state to get in many cases, life saving abortions. I also think that unlimited abortion for any reason up until the moment of birth is an extreme position. Guess how many states in the US that is legal? It's zero.
diimdeep 3y ago
I need to try to use YouTube logged out, I have never done that to be honest. What I saw is that objective and tolerant (compared to some rest of YouTube in my opinion) channels from my subscriptions were erased by YouTube, aka Deplatformed[0]. Other channels mostly about politics with pessimistic negative worldview connotations and selective biased view(IMHO) continue to grow to this day (context: all russian speaking channels). For example channel of Artemy Lebedev ( tema.ru/travel/ ), in recent interview he shared that since then he continued to upload, and YouTube erased so far eight of his newly created channels, but he does not care. I bet that latest one[1] will be also soon erased. Another channel is GoingUndergroundTV (interviews with politicians), it is now hosted on Rumble. It's really not that hard to connect the dots why all this happens, for example person like Garry Kasparov could not ever be deplatformed from YouTube, not matter how biased and one sided world view he projects to audience of his former country, becouse he is not a strange man to certain establishment (He attends private 2023 Bilderberg Conference with figures like Henry A. Kissinger) [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deplatforming https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deplatforming [1] https://www.youtube.com/@ArtemyLebedev-sd8nf https://www.youtube.com/@ArtemyLebedev-sd8nf

by bojan 3y ago

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AntiRemote 3y ago
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galoisscobi 3y ago

Don’t be evil, unless I guess it starts hurting the ad money.

eastbound 3y ago

So your experience is exactly the same: Online US-controlled media can create uprest, extremism, hate subgroups in foreign countries at will.

ipaddr 3y ago

Perhaps people in the Netherlands value right content over left content more than you realize.

sangnoir 3y ago
Or perhaps outrage increases engagement, and YouTube optimizes for engagement (i.e. ad revenue)
- ipaddr 3y ago
  Their exists plenty of toxic leftish content that increases engagement.

antman 3y ago

Those look more like similar than completely different experiences.

jjeaff 3y ago

I noticed the same thing in the US. When logged in I get mostly suggestions of stuff I tend to watch, which includes a few left leaning commentators and some more centrist news sources like NPR. If I check logged out, I get tons of right wing, own-the-libs type content with a lot of "men's rights" stuff.

bmarquez 3y ago
> more centrist news sources like NPR NPR is not considered centrist, but left-leaning. When I check logged out I get CNN and Fox side by side, along with a lot of non-political basketball and Mr. Beast type stuff. Content probably varies on your IP address.
- manicennui 3y ago
  NPR is only left-leaning when you ignore how far right all US politics are.
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- jjeaff 3y ago
  Ya, only if your Overton window has been knocked completely out of whack by right wing extremism.
  - bmarquez 3y ago
    Even my self-proclaimed liberal friends admit NPR has a left-leaning bias. And there's nothing wrong with that. But calling everything disliked "extremist" is counterproductive and is itself an Overton window shift.
    - jjeaff 3y ago
      My point is that NPR is only left-leaning in comparison to other US outlets. But they are centrist to right leaning from a political science perspective. And I certainly don't call everything I dislike extremist. For example, does anyone really believe that no abortions, no exceptions, even in the case of rape of a minor is not extreme? We have 15 states right now in the US where that is the case and a large cadre of gop politicians that believe that is how it should be. And not only are those states enforcing this ban, some are going so far as to try to go after people who leave the state to get in many cases, life saving abortions. I also think that unlimited abortion for any reason up until the moment of birth is an extreme position. Guess how many states in the US that is legal? It's zero.

diimdeep 3y ago

I need to try to use YouTube logged out, I have never done that to be honest. What I saw is that objective and tolerant (compared to some rest of YouTube in my opinion) channels from my subscriptions were erased by YouTube, aka Deplatformed[0]. Other channels mostly about politics with pessimistic negative worldview connotations and selective biased view(IMHO) continue to grow to this day (context: all russian speaking channels). For example channel of Artemy Lebedev ( tema.ru/travel/ ), in recent interview he shared that since then he continued to upload, and YouTube erased so far eight of his newly created channels, but he does not care. I bet that latest one[1] will be also soon erased. Another channel is GoingUndergroundTV (interviews with politicians), it is now hosted on Rumble. It's really not that hard to connect the dots why all this happens, for example person like Garry Kasparov could not ever be deplatformed from YouTube, not matter how biased and one sided world view he projects to audience of his former country, becouse he is not a strange man to certain establishment (He attends private 2023 Bilderberg Conference with figures like Henry A. Kissinger) [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deplatforming https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deplatforming [1] https://www.youtube.com/@ArtemyLebedev-sd8nf https://www.youtube.com/@ArtemyLebedev-sd8nf