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YouTube monopoly is really hurting internet and the world. YouTube at this point is globalized TV controlled by one country: U.S. It got so bad that for count

YouTube monopoly is really hurting internet and the world. YouTube at this point is globalized TV controlled by one country: U.S. It got so bad that for countries that do not have their own platforms, YouTube become as worse as adversarial subversive NGO that dictates one narrative and suppresses other narratives. i have seen in recent years countless examples of channels wiped from platform for holding opinionated views not aligned with Neo-liberal west. Removing features so that you watch what they want you to watch.

crazygringo 3y ago
OK, I'll ask -- can you give some specific examples of wiped channels? What is an example of an NGO promoting one narrative and what are the other narratives being suppressed? What are countries this is happening in? I'm genuinely interested in the specifics here. I always want to be knowledgeable about different narratives. Because my impression was that YouTube will serve you up recommendations on any topic you watch, because its goal is to serve ads, not to further a neoliberal narrative over others. But if YouTube is hiding certain narratives, I definitely want to be aware, to understand what kinds of categories they fall into. Can you share what you've observed? Edit: best I can tell (looking through comment history) is that the commenter is upset specifically with YouTube banning content and channels that "denies or trivializes" Russia's invasion of Ukraine: > YouTube has also been able to operate in Russia despite cracking down on pro-Kremlin content that has broken guidelines including its major violent events policy, which prohibits denying or trivialising the invasion. Since the conflict began in February, YouTube has taken down channels including that of the pro-Kremlin journalist Vladimir Solovyov. Channels associated with Russia’s Ministries of Defence and Foreign Affairs have also been temporarily suspended from uploading videos in recent months for describing the war as a “liberation mission”. YouTube’s chief product officer, Neal Mohan, said: “We have a major violent events policy and that applies to things like denial of major violent events: everything from the Holocaust to Sandy Hook. And of course, what’s happening in Ukraine is a major violent event. And so we’ve used that policy to take unprecedented action.” [1] [1] https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/may/22/youtube-ukraine-invasion-russia-video-removals https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/may/22/youtube-u...
- midasuni 3y ago
  YouTube bans basic daytime adverts because of American puritanical beliefs.
  - Fauntleroy 3y ago
    Which daytime advertisements are you referring to?
- sodapopcan 3y ago
  Ya I regularly wipe my cookies and start over with YouTube and the politically charged fresh slate recommendations are definitely not Neo-liberal.
  - jonathankoren 3y ago
    Yeah. “Neo-liberal” is defiantly not how I’d describe YouTube political content. Everything I get is far right bullshit.
    - _a9 3y ago
      I think the youtube algo just serves you what it thinks will get you engaged (hate watching?). In the past I've gotten both right and left extremist content. I eventually set my youtube settings to delete everything that is older than 3 months, my feed has been way more usable since I did that. That plus using revanced to remove all the stupid shorts and news/promo sections from the app.
      - jonathankoren 3y ago
        YouTube always gives me the vague “people in your area and time of day” answer, which is totally bullshit. It’s content driven. You watch a video about fighter jets, or Ukraine, get Matt Walsh telling you how we have to eliminate trans kids. Watch an Alan Watts or Terrance McKenna video, get an ad about how the ancient Egyptians used magic flutes to generate antigravity fields to build the pyramids.
ricardo81 3y ago
I don't know about monopolisation (other than Google/YT's massive reach) but their shadow banning of comments is something I find worrying. You can't say something without double checking if it's been binned, and it doesn't have to be that controversial. I made a comment on some chap making a living from scraping and mentioned mozrepl, tried submitting about 5 variations of it but it never stuck. So all those millions of comments on there, who's to say what the middle ground is (other than the filter).
bojan 3y ago
My experience in the Netherlands is completely different than what you are saying. When not logged in, the front page is full of right to extreme right content, always a click or two away from conspiracy theories and/or Thierry Baudet, the leader of the FvD, which is basically a neo nazi party.
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  - AntiRemote 3y ago
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- galoisscobi 3y ago
  Don’t be evil, unless I guess it starts hurting the ad money.
- eastbound 3y ago
  So your experience is exactly the same: Online US-controlled media can create uprest, extremism, hate subgroups in foreign countries at will.
- ipaddr 3y ago
  Perhaps people in the Netherlands value right content over left content more than you realize.
  - sangnoir 3y ago
    Or perhaps outrage increases engagement, and YouTube optimizes for engagement (i.e. ad revenue)
    - ipaddr 3y ago
      Their exists plenty of toxic leftish content that increases engagement.
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w7 3y ago
Pretending there isn't a difference between "opinionated views" and collaborating with Russian military while spreading disinformation doesn't help you. The examples you've provided have done the latter. Stop using indirect language to hide your beliefs.
s3p 3y ago
This is quite a narrative. I think the correct perspective is: YouTube caters to local governments, which often want to limit what their population has access to. Many countries regulate their speech much more heavily than the United States. You watch what your government wants you to watch.
scrollaway 3y ago
Why is it always the same types of people peddling the same noise? You're constantly posting russian propaganda here, with links to russian propagandist telegram channels, foxnews.com, RT, propagandist twitter accounts, propagandist youtube channels... and of course you're singing the wonders of Elon Musk next to this. "Blah blah the west, liberals, etc" -- please. You'll jump at the opportunity to defend Russia and whine about "The West" the first chance you'll see. Don't pretend you're in favour of anything just in this world.
- glogla 3y ago
  The story goes, the internet propagandists that are paid for the work are paid more if people respond. Best to just downvote, flag, move on.

crazygringo 3y ago

OK, I'll ask -- can you give some specific examples of wiped channels? What is an example of an NGO promoting one narrative and what are the other narratives being suppressed? What are countries this is happening in? I'm genuinely interested in the specifics here. I always want to be knowledgeable about different narratives. Because my impression was that YouTube will serve you up recommendations on any topic you watch, because its goal is to serve ads, not to further a neoliberal narrative over others. But if YouTube is hiding certain narratives, I definitely want to be aware, to understand what kinds of categories they fall into. Can you share what you've observed? Edit: best I can tell (looking through comment history) is that the commenter is upset specifically with YouTube banning content and channels that "denies or trivializes" Russia's invasion of Ukraine: > YouTube has also been able to operate in Russia despite cracking down on pro-Kremlin content that has broken guidelines including its major violent events policy, which prohibits denying or trivialising the invasion. Since the conflict began in February, YouTube has taken down channels including that of the pro-Kremlin journalist Vladimir Solovyov. Channels associated with Russia’s Ministries of Defence and Foreign Affairs have also been temporarily suspended from uploading videos in recent months for describing the war as a “liberation mission”. YouTube’s chief product officer, Neal Mohan, said: “We have a major violent events policy and that applies to things like denial of major violent events: everything from the Holocaust to Sandy Hook. And of course, what’s happening in Ukraine is a major violent event. And so we’ve used that policy to take unprecedented action.” [1] [1] https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/may/22/youtube-ukraine-invasion-russia-video-removals https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/may/22/youtube-u...

midasuni 3y ago
YouTube bans basic daytime adverts because of American puritanical beliefs.
- Fauntleroy 3y ago
  Which daytime advertisements are you referring to?
sodapopcan 3y ago
Ya I regularly wipe my cookies and start over with YouTube and the politically charged fresh slate recommendations are definitely not Neo-liberal.
- jonathankoren 3y ago
  Yeah. “Neo-liberal” is defiantly not how I’d describe YouTube political content. Everything I get is far right bullshit.
  - _a9 3y ago
    I think the youtube algo just serves you what it thinks will get you engaged (hate watching?). In the past I've gotten both right and left extremist content. I eventually set my youtube settings to delete everything that is older than 3 months, my feed has been way more usable since I did that. That plus using revanced to remove all the stupid shorts and news/promo sections from the app.
    - jonathankoren 3y ago
      YouTube always gives me the vague “people in your area and time of day” answer, which is totally bullshit. It’s content driven. You watch a video about fighter jets, or Ukraine, get Matt Walsh telling you how we have to eliminate trans kids. Watch an Alan Watts or Terrance McKenna video, get an ad about how the ancient Egyptians used magic flutes to generate antigravity fields to build the pyramids.

ricardo81 3y ago

I don't know about monopolisation (other than Google/YT's massive reach) but their shadow banning of comments is something I find worrying. You can't say something without double checking if it's been binned, and it doesn't have to be that controversial. I made a comment on some chap making a living from scraping and mentioned mozrepl, tried submitting about 5 variations of it but it never stuck. So all those millions of comments on there, who's to say what the middle ground is (other than the filter).

bojan 3y ago

My experience in the Netherlands is completely different than what you are saying. When not logged in, the front page is full of right to extreme right content, always a click or two away from conspiracy theories and/or Thierry Baudet, the leader of the FvD, which is basically a neo nazi party.

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- AntiRemote 3y ago
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galoisscobi 3y ago
Don’t be evil, unless I guess it starts hurting the ad money.
eastbound 3y ago
So your experience is exactly the same: Online US-controlled media can create uprest, extremism, hate subgroups in foreign countries at will.
ipaddr 3y ago
Perhaps people in the Netherlands value right content over left content more than you realize.
- sangnoir 3y ago
  Or perhaps outrage increases engagement, and YouTube optimizes for engagement (i.e. ad revenue)
  - ipaddr 3y ago
    Their exists plenty of toxic leftish content that increases engagement.
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w7 3y ago

Pretending there isn't a difference between "opinionated views" and collaborating with Russian military while spreading disinformation doesn't help you. The examples you've provided have done the latter. Stop using indirect language to hide your beliefs.

s3p 3y ago

This is quite a narrative. I think the correct perspective is: YouTube caters to local governments, which often want to limit what their population has access to. Many countries regulate their speech much more heavily than the United States. You watch what your government wants you to watch.

scrollaway 3y ago

Why is it always the same types of people peddling the same noise? You're constantly posting russian propaganda here, with links to russian propagandist telegram channels, foxnews.com, RT, propagandist twitter accounts, propagandist youtube channels... and of course you're singing the wonders of Elon Musk next to this. "Blah blah the west, liberals, etc" -- please. You'll jump at the opportunity to defend Russia and whine about "The West" the first chance you'll see. Don't pretend you're in favour of anything just in this world.

glogla 3y ago
The story goes, the internet propagandists that are paid for the work are paid more if people respond. Best to just downvote, flag, move on.