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The simple answer is that either we pay for them using the money we would have spent on controlled burning, or we give away the grazing rights for free at least

The simple answer is that either we pay for them using the money we would have spent on controlled burning, or we give away the grazing rights for free at least. Most ranchers who do brush control grazing get paid for doing so. This is the opposite of the federal policy today, where ranchers have to pay for grazing rights on BLM land. Not to mention the fact that some places we used to graze sheep on like Yosemite or Sequoia National Parks have a blanket ban on commercial grazing. Instead, what we have is wildlife conservation groups killing bills to expand grazing in CA. https://mountainlion.org/2021/04/29/ab434-california-state-parks-grazing-bill-pulled/ https://mountainlion.org/2021/04/29/ab434-california-state-p...

mistrial9 3y ago
> wildlife conservation groups killing bills that's not the start of a conversation that finds solutions. Obviously there is lot of hurt and urgency, also there have been a lot of bad bills, also there is a lot of private land grab on public property, also the existing policies have led us here. AND.. when I read the actual research, there is far more already known, than anyone at the negotiating table seems to know.. so you get bullies and spies, angry side comments and behind-the-scenes demands.. far, far too late to just call the other side of the table uncomplimentary names, if you are serious about this.
- swalling 3y ago
  Conservation groups like the Mountain Lion Foundation or the Sierra Club are legitimately terrible at advocating for balanced, holistic solutions. They’re the literal definition of special interest groups. There should be alignment of interests between environmental groups and rural people who don't want their communities destroyed by wildfire. Neither of them want the forests burned down. Instead, these groups pursue a singleminded focus on attacking anything that doesn’t comply with their dogmatic pursuit of wilderness untouched by anything other than recreation.
  - mistrial9 3y ago
    Sierra Club appears to be a mixed blessing at this point, granted

mistrial9 3y ago

> wildlife conservation groups killing bills that's not the start of a conversation that finds solutions. Obviously there is lot of hurt and urgency, also there have been a lot of bad bills, also there is a lot of private land grab on public property, also the existing policies have led us here. AND.. when I read the actual research, there is far more already known, than anyone at the negotiating table seems to know.. so you get bullies and spies, angry side comments and behind-the-scenes demands.. far, far too late to just call the other side of the table uncomplimentary names, if you are serious about this.

swalling 3y ago
Conservation groups like the Mountain Lion Foundation or the Sierra Club are legitimately terrible at advocating for balanced, holistic solutions. They’re the literal definition of special interest groups. There should be alignment of interests between environmental groups and rural people who don't want their communities destroyed by wildfire. Neither of them want the forests burned down. Instead, these groups pursue a singleminded focus on attacking anything that doesn’t comply with their dogmatic pursuit of wilderness untouched by anything other than recreation.
- mistrial9 3y ago
  Sierra Club appears to be a mixed blessing at this point, granted