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> The difference obviously is that in humans this is intentional behavior unless the human is not in a healthy state memory-wise. This has not been my experien

> The difference obviously is that in humans this is intentional behavior unless the human is not in a healthy state memory-wise. This has not been my experience. Once you get out of the tech bubble you will frequently find people who genuinely treat talking as just pattern matching and signalling and speak words that don't correspond to any actual internal model of how the world works.

starbugs 3y ago
I am frequently talking to people outside the tech bubble. Could you give me an example? And maybe a hint how this would relate to my argument about intention and understanding? I have a hard time following your argument.
- TeMPOraL 3y ago
  Tell your family and friends you, e.g., like regularly having a pizza for dinner, or that you're ditching sugar for artificial sweetener - and enjoy watching people on an acid trip with no LSD. You'll hear plenty of warnings warning and advice that's quite obviously bullshit, and which they acquired from other people and/or lifestyle magazines/blogs/memes - except they don't even realize it, because they're not in a habit of remembering where did the idea come from along with the idea itself, and so instead they "just know" they're right.
  - starbugs 3y ago
    Again, my point is not about people (maybe wrongly) reciting sentences that they have picked up somewhere without any attempt at verification or understanding of the matter. My point is making up entire new entities (function names) that don't exist at all and claiming these things as facts in a very self-confident tone. While mindlessly reciting "facts" that you have picked up somewhere as a conversational style doesn't require any understanding (it's called belief), making up entities demonstrates that you do something that requires a real understanding, but you don't have that understanding. You just somewhat carefully arrange words based on statistics to match a query. I've yet to find a human who does this. Even my uncle who fits your description more than perfectly wouldn't do this. And I've never met anyone who is mentally healthy and sober doing this.

starbugs 3y ago

I am frequently talking to people outside the tech bubble. Could you give me an example? And maybe a hint how this would relate to my argument about intention and understanding? I have a hard time following your argument.

TeMPOraL 3y ago
Tell your family and friends you, e.g., like regularly having a pizza for dinner, or that you're ditching sugar for artificial sweetener - and enjoy watching people on an acid trip with no LSD. You'll hear plenty of warnings warning and advice that's quite obviously bullshit, and which they acquired from other people and/or lifestyle magazines/blogs/memes - except they don't even realize it, because they're not in a habit of remembering where did the idea come from along with the idea itself, and so instead they "just know" they're right.
- starbugs 3y ago
  Again, my point is not about people (maybe wrongly) reciting sentences that they have picked up somewhere without any attempt at verification or understanding of the matter. My point is making up entire new entities (function names) that don't exist at all and claiming these things as facts in a very self-confident tone. While mindlessly reciting "facts" that you have picked up somewhere as a conversational style doesn't require any understanding (it's called belief), making up entities demonstrates that you do something that requires a real understanding, but you don't have that understanding. You just somewhat carefully arrange words based on statistics to match a query. I've yet to find a human who does this. Even my uncle who fits your description more than perfectly wouldn't do this. And I've never met anyone who is mentally healthy and sober doing this.