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Can so eone ELI5 this for me? What's actually going on? Or gone on? What's the controversy?

mellosouls 3y ago
Fred was invited to do a keynote speech. Joe was one of those who campaigned for him to be invited. Keynote speech was downgraded to normal speech at a late date, allegedly overriding a democratic decision. Fred flounces off dramatically in response to the downgrading and posts a long rambling blog about it and tweets. Joe resigns in support announcing it in a response to the tweet. Joe then posts his reasons with a long rambling blog alleging political shenanigans behind the downgrading. More discussion ongoing on various media. Names may have been changed here. Basically though, alleged politics and possible ego issues on either or both sides - with probably poor comms in the best case - centred here on a conference speaker. Bear in mind that this is also in the context of Rust which has a history of these sorts of shenanigans.
- potsandpans 3y ago
  I find your summary to be unnecessarily dismissive.
  - JdeBP 3y ago
    It doesn't help that it gets who did what wrong, too. (-:
  - mellosouls 3y ago
    Tbh that was my personal response as I watched it unfold on Twitter. Politics, ego, drama, whoever is right or wrong. But yeah, perhaps I shouldn't have been so glib in making a private reflection public; apologies if anybody involved is reading the thread.
- coldtea 3y ago
  >Keynote speech was downgraded to normal speech at a late date, allegedly overriding a democratic decision. Fred flounces off dramatically in response to the downgrading Yeah, because "overriding a democratic decision" behind the scenes to backstab someone is a small thing in a project... (Nor was it Fred)
pdpi 3y ago
JeanHeyd Meneide was invited to give a keynote at RustConf. He was not planning on giving a talk at all (can't recall whether he was planning on going to the conference in the first place), and he says he was plenty clear about what he would be talking about, that it's super experimental and somewhat controversial (from a technical standpoint), and and that he didn't want him giving a keynote about it to seem like tacit endorsement of his ideas. The RustConf organisers assured him it would be fine. Fast forward and the conf organisers advise him that his keynote has been "demoted" to a regular talk. He says this is unprofessional and a lack of respect, cancels his talks, and posts about it. One of the people in the core team (I think?) quit in protest because of how this all happened behind the scenes. This particular post is JeanHeyd's comments on JT's explaining why he quit.
- coldtea 3y ago
  >Fast forward and the conf organisers advise him that his keynote has been "demoted" to a regular talk. He says this is unprofessional and a lack of respect, cancels his talks, and posts about it. You missed the part where this demoting happened behind the scenes, was not voted for by the team, the suggestion to downvote didn't even reach the team, because some shady person did it on their own, and it was communicated to JeanHeyd himself at the last minute (so that he could check with the team and bring it to their awareness either). So, kind of missing the whole point, and painting a bad picture of JeanHeyd to boot...
  - pdpi 3y ago
    I might've been a bit overzealous in keeping my own opinion out of it. I didn't meant to paint a bad picture of JeanHeyd. In fact, I specifically tried to highlight how he tried to avoid drama. Ultimately, I don't even think the shady behind the scenes stuff is the part we should focus on.They invited him to give the keynote, he advised them that it might be a problem, they specifically told him it was fine, and then dropped the keynote for precisely the reasons he said it might be a problem. That is extremely disrespectful and unprofessional by any reasonable standard.
    - 3y ago

Fred was invited to do a keynote speech. Joe was one of those who campaigned for him to be invited. Keynote speech was downgraded to normal speech at a late date, allegedly overriding a democratic decision. Fred flounces off dramatically in response to the downgrading and posts a long rambling blog about it and tweets. Joe resigns in support announcing it in a response to the tweet. Joe then posts his reasons with a long rambling blog alleging political shenanigans behind the downgrading. More discussion ongoing on various media. Names may have been changed here. Basically though, alleged politics and possible ego issues on either or both sides - with probably poor comms in the best case - centred here on a conference speaker. Bear in mind that this is also in the context of Rust which has a history of these sorts of shenanigans.

potsandpans 3y ago
I find your summary to be unnecessarily dismissive.
- JdeBP 3y ago
  It doesn't help that it gets who did what wrong, too. (-:
- mellosouls 3y ago
  Tbh that was my personal response as I watched it unfold on Twitter. Politics, ego, drama, whoever is right or wrong. But yeah, perhaps I shouldn't have been so glib in making a private reflection public; apologies if anybody involved is reading the thread.
coldtea 3y ago
>Keynote speech was downgraded to normal speech at a late date, allegedly overriding a democratic decision. Fred flounces off dramatically in response to the downgrading Yeah, because "overriding a democratic decision" behind the scenes to backstab someone is a small thing in a project... (Nor was it Fred)

pdpi 3y ago

JeanHeyd Meneide was invited to give a keynote at RustConf. He was not planning on giving a talk at all (can't recall whether he was planning on going to the conference in the first place), and he says he was plenty clear about what he would be talking about, that it's super experimental and somewhat controversial (from a technical standpoint), and and that he didn't want him giving a keynote about it to seem like tacit endorsement of his ideas. The RustConf organisers assured him it would be fine. Fast forward and the conf organisers advise him that his keynote has been "demoted" to a regular talk. He says this is unprofessional and a lack of respect, cancels his talks, and posts about it. One of the people in the core team (I think?) quit in protest because of how this all happened behind the scenes. This particular post is JeanHeyd's comments on JT's explaining why he quit.

coldtea 3y ago
>Fast forward and the conf organisers advise him that his keynote has been "demoted" to a regular talk. He says this is unprofessional and a lack of respect, cancels his talks, and posts about it. You missed the part where this demoting happened behind the scenes, was not voted for by the team, the suggestion to downvote didn't even reach the team, because some shady person did it on their own, and it was communicated to JeanHeyd himself at the last minute (so that he could check with the team and bring it to their awareness either). So, kind of missing the whole point, and painting a bad picture of JeanHeyd to boot...
- pdpi 3y ago
  I might've been a bit overzealous in keeping my own opinion out of it. I didn't meant to paint a bad picture of JeanHeyd. In fact, I specifically tried to highlight how he tried to avoid drama. Ultimately, I don't even think the shady behind the scenes stuff is the part we should focus on.They invited him to give the keynote, he advised them that it might be a problem, they specifically told him it was fine, and then dropped the keynote for precisely the reasons he said it might be a problem. That is extremely disrespectful and unprofessional by any reasonable standard.
  - 3y ago