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Is there a similarly succinct but inoffensive word or phrase you would recommend instead?

Larrikin 3y ago
The term at this point is so twisted that your question is like asking if there a similarly succinct word one can use for the N word. Looking for an alternative that means the same thing is incompatible with it being inoffensive
- n8henrie 3y ago
  It looks like your comment may have been removed(?), but I thought its last sentence or two was recommending that the parent poster search their vocabulary for something less laden with negative connotation. Based on this, I was hoping you'd have a suggestion. I think your analogy to the "N word" makes it difficult to assume good faith, but if it were possible to do so regarding "woke," is there a way to refer to that idea without being offensive? Perhaps just "progressive" or "left-leaning" would suffice, but my impression is that "woke" usually refers to a more extreme form that is focused on social issues. "SJW" also seems to have a negative connotation.
  - account42 3y ago
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dragonwriter 3y ago
While terse, “woke” is not succinct, in its current negative external use, because it doesn’t clearly communicate anything about what it describes other than that it is disliked by the speaker. It communicates more about the speaker and the identity group they affiliate with than its notional referent; its a kind of right wing virtue signalling. (The older positive use at least had something like a coherent meaning, so arguably was succinct as well as terse.)
- n8henrie 3y ago
  I hadn't realized there was a meaningful difference between "terse" and "succinct" except for the negative connotation of the first. A few dictionaries and thesauruses seem to suggest I'm not too far off, and hopefully you'd agree that one wouldn't ask for a negatively laden replacement for a word that was being discussed as being negatively laden. It sounds like you don't think "woke" means anything and is therefore not worth replacing. Is that more or less correct? My recollection was that the parent comment I was responding to recommended that its parent replace the word to avoid immediately having the appearance of bad faith, which is why I was asking about their suggestion for a replacement. It seemed like they might have something in mind.

The term at this point is so twisted that your question is like asking if there a similarly succinct word one can use for the N word. Looking for an alternative that means the same thing is incompatible with it being inoffensive

n8henrie 3y ago
It looks like your comment may have been removed(?), but I thought its last sentence or two was recommending that the parent poster search their vocabulary for something less laden with negative connotation. Based on this, I was hoping you'd have a suggestion. I think your analogy to the "N word" makes it difficult to assume good faith, but if it were possible to do so regarding "woke," is there a way to refer to that idea without being offensive? Perhaps just "progressive" or "left-leaning" would suffice, but my impression is that "woke" usually refers to a more extreme form that is focused on social issues. "SJW" also seems to have a negative connotation.
- account42 3y ago
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dragonwriter 3y ago

While terse, “woke” is not succinct, in its current negative external use, because it doesn’t clearly communicate anything about what it describes other than that it is disliked by the speaker. It communicates more about the speaker and the identity group they affiliate with than its notional referent; its a kind of right wing virtue signalling. (The older positive use at least had something like a coherent meaning, so arguably was succinct as well as terse.)

n8henrie 3y ago
I hadn't realized there was a meaningful difference between "terse" and "succinct" except for the negative connotation of the first. A few dictionaries and thesauruses seem to suggest I'm not too far off, and hopefully you'd agree that one wouldn't ask for a negatively laden replacement for a word that was being discussed as being negatively laden. It sounds like you don't think "woke" means anything and is therefore not worth replacing. Is that more or less correct? My recollection was that the parent comment I was responding to recommended that its parent replace the word to avoid immediately having the appearance of bad faith, which is why I was asking about their suggestion for a replacement. It seemed like they might have something in mind.