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They say state socialism killed millions, and point to the Holodomor and Great Chinese Famine as examples. They are not wrong that collectivization did that. B
by EGreg 3y ago
They say state socialism killed millions, and point to the Holodomor and Great Chinese Famine as examples. They are not wrong that collectivization did that.
But they never stand up and discuss how state capitalism is explicitly behind famines like the Great Irine Potato Famine and the numerous ones in Bengal - with this one postdating Holodomor.
In the Irish Potato Famine, 15% of the country perished — it was right next door to the English — and did so largely due to enforcing private property of landlords above human lives of Irish peasants and sharecroppers.
Whether it is a Raj government that got set up to protect the state capitalist “East India Company”, or whether it is “wartime communism”, requisitioning food from starving peasants to feed cityfolk is something only a powerful state apparatus can do at such a scale, and at such a scale it is entirely out of touch with the people on the ground. People have suffered under both economic systems, it is just in the USA it is fashionable to associate communism with the State while capitalism has come to be somehow associated the absence of one.
- gishbunker 3y agoI'm a communist, and holy shit have both communist regimes and capitalist regimes killed millions upon millions in preventable causes. People here generally jump on communists pretty assertively, but I think it's important to remember that autocracy is only one form of communism, and plenty of communist folks have a strong dislike of the Soviet model. (Just as, I'd imagine, many capitalists dislike the "use force to take food" model described in the article). It drives me up the wall when people say, "communism/capitalism are unique in their killing of 100s of millions!" No, both have caused uncountable human suffering. We should be comfortable accepting that both need study and critique.