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I'll obviously not stop using Rust over this -- and I think 99.99% of the people using Rust for work will not stop using it either -- but this looks like a case
by pdimitar 3y ago
I'll obviously not stop using Rust over this -- and I think 99.99% of the people using Rust for work will not stop using it either -- but this looks like a case where the underlying true issue (sidestepping a democratic process) was very quickly forgotten and people started arguing over the expressions of the problem using dramatic and exaggerated language, which just makes things worse because it makes other people jumpy. And it spiraled out of control extremely quickly because you know, people are being people. Oh well. Hopefully the dust settles and they can figure it out.
Another thing that rubs me the wrong way: "lack of Black representation". So here's the question: is somebody actively suppressing Black applicants, or are there simply no Black applicants?
If it's the former, obviously that's a huge problem. But I suspect it's the latter and if that's really the case then this seems like people basically rebelling against an objective reality they can do nothing against, but still make a drama over it. If there are literally no black people who want to do things X and Y, how is that even a reason to feel bad about stuff? Same way as you won't find many Japanese golfers in, say, Italy. There simply are not enough people out there with the characteristics you are focused on that do the things you feel they should feel more represented in. Nothing you can do.
EDIT: And before I keep receiving replies that are COMPLETELY OFF-TOPIC, my question to any reader or commenter is this: where do we draw the line on what should the Rust Foundation do when relating to world-wide social injustice problems? Many people seem to think that it's a trampoline to achieving social justice in the world and I strongly disagree with that stance. Let's keep our goals realistic and compartmentalized; there are other organizations out there that fight injustice as their main objective. Rust Foundation is not that.
- velcrovan 3y ago[flagged]
- pdimitar 3y agoI will not accept being stereotyped and you implying I am wrong without you giving a single argument to defend your stance. Your nebulous claims might as well be summarized as "I dislike you for reasons I won't ever explain". If you want to discuss, let's go. If you are only gonna use thinly veiled insults then you got no leg to stand on. (If I understood you correctly, you seem to think something as small as the Rust foundation should fight racism on a world scale?)
- thebigwinning 3y agoDo you want to try addressing any of the claims or ideas you disagree with? I only see name calling here.
- vector_spaces 3y agoIt's unlikely there is anyone in a position of authority in Rust consciously and nefariously excluding black folks and other people of color, but there doesn't need to be. It's a self-reinforcing problem that requires conscious effort to address. I'm a (nonblack) minority, and I tend to actively avoid participation in groups where I know I'm not likely to be understood in important ways. It can be pretty fucking exhausting being the only X
- pdimitar 3y agoFair, but let's recognize the fact that nobody has stopped you at the door. And I am not sure what does the Rust Foundation has to do with self-reinforcing problems stemming from racism. Moving the goalposts all the way to the skies is why we can't have productive discussions in many venues of life, sadly.
- bobsmooth 3y agoYou blame others for your own anxieties that stop you from participating?