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Is it just me, or is this a lot of melodrama for a language. I love arguing over technical details, this seems more like "house wives of rust".

sidlls 3y ago
The Rust community (in aggregate; I'd hope I wouldn't need to state the obvious that it doesn't apply to all individuals, but...Rust community) fosters this sort of melodrama. There is a core of extremely zealous "Rust wins all the things" types who don't stop at advocating for a language on its technical merits: they have to belittle and berate users of other languages because their choice (or not: employment is what it is) isn't "correct." The Rust community has (a well deserved, in my opinion) reputation.
- FrustratedMonky 3y ago
  Its just so odd to me. It used to be that a language was like an impartial technology that could be evaluated. Back in the day would anybody ever say "wow those C++ people are noxious, I'm not going to use objects".
  - revelio 3y ago
    Sadly yes, it's not a new thing. Lisp is a good example of an old language that attracted a very particular community around it that did put some people off.
    - FrustratedMonky 3y ago
      Guess, now that I think about it, Python and the 'white' spaces was kind of drama. But think it was still about technical merits, like do you prefer that style or not, don't remember the 'community' being melodramatic.
      - noisy_boy 3y ago
        Putting all the drama aside, "clearspaces" would be better, no? What if my editors background is black? Then whitespaces would stand out like white bars.
  - andrewflnr 3y ago
    > It used to be that a language was like an impartial technology that could be evaluated. In the era of open source and package managers, this can only be an illusion. It's sort of possible to ignore the community, but if nothing else it will affect the volume and quality of packages available for you. That said, you can keep it pretty minimal, you don't really need to interact beyond reading docs and downloading packages.
- pitaj 3y ago
  > they have to belittle and berate users of other languages because their choice (or not: employment is what it is) isn't "correct." I keep hearing people claim this to be the case, but I've never seen this behavior as described in the wild - I only see the complaints about it. Yes, Rustaceans will evangelize and whatnot but I don't see the belittling or berating.
  - sidlls 3y ago
    Just search "rust" in HN comments (or on Reddit, or pretty much anywhere you see someone asking questions likely to invoke discussion about language choice): you'll find plenty.
ilrwbwrkhv 3y ago
I knew the people who come up with a compiler and syntax which just screams drama would also love drama in their real lives. That's why I stick with Go. No drama syntax, no drama conferences.
- bckr 3y ago
  This comment feels like it could be from the show Silicon Valley, in a good way.
- klabb3 3y ago
  And an std lib that has all you need. And tooling that evolves in a direction of usefulness, not because it’s technically challenging.
- brazzy 3y ago
  >a compiler and syntax which just screams drama A what now?
  - noisy_boy 3y ago
    Yeah, what's up with ending everything with a question mark and pulling stunts like :#?, huh? /s
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sidlls 3y ago

The Rust community (in aggregate; I'd hope I wouldn't need to state the obvious that it doesn't apply to all individuals, but...Rust community) fosters this sort of melodrama. There is a core of extremely zealous "Rust wins all the things" types who don't stop at advocating for a language on its technical merits: they have to belittle and berate users of other languages because their choice (or not: employment is what it is) isn't "correct." The Rust community has (a well deserved, in my opinion) reputation.

FrustratedMonky 3y ago
Its just so odd to me. It used to be that a language was like an impartial technology that could be evaluated. Back in the day would anybody ever say "wow those C++ people are noxious, I'm not going to use objects".
- revelio 3y ago
  Sadly yes, it's not a new thing. Lisp is a good example of an old language that attracted a very particular community around it that did put some people off.
  - FrustratedMonky 3y ago
    Guess, now that I think about it, Python and the 'white' spaces was kind of drama. But think it was still about technical merits, like do you prefer that style or not, don't remember the 'community' being melodramatic.
    - noisy_boy 3y ago
      Putting all the drama aside, "clearspaces" would be better, no? What if my editors background is black? Then whitespaces would stand out like white bars.
- andrewflnr 3y ago
  > It used to be that a language was like an impartial technology that could be evaluated. In the era of open source and package managers, this can only be an illusion. It's sort of possible to ignore the community, but if nothing else it will affect the volume and quality of packages available for you. That said, you can keep it pretty minimal, you don't really need to interact beyond reading docs and downloading packages.
pitaj 3y ago
> they have to belittle and berate users of other languages because their choice (or not: employment is what it is) isn't "correct." I keep hearing people claim this to be the case, but I've never seen this behavior as described in the wild - I only see the complaints about it. Yes, Rustaceans will evangelize and whatnot but I don't see the belittling or berating.
- sidlls 3y ago
  Just search "rust" in HN comments (or on Reddit, or pretty much anywhere you see someone asking questions likely to invoke discussion about language choice): you'll find plenty.

ilrwbwrkhv 3y ago

I knew the people who come up with a compiler and syntax which just screams drama would also love drama in their real lives. That's why I stick with Go. No drama syntax, no drama conferences.

bckr 3y ago
This comment feels like it could be from the show Silicon Valley, in a good way.
klabb3 3y ago
And an std lib that has all you need. And tooling that evolves in a direction of usefulness, not because it’s technically challenging.
brazzy 3y ago
>a compiler and syntax which just screams drama A what now?
- noisy_boy 3y ago
  Yeah, what's up with ending everything with a question mark and pulling stunts like :#?, huh? /s

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