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I'm generally not a fan of the way people go about D&I, but the fact JeanHeyd has brought up the problem before makes it more pertinent. Whoever on the Rust te
by ZephyrBlu 3y ago
I'm generally not a fan of the way people go about D&I, but the fact JeanHeyd has brought up the problem before makes it more pertinent.
Whoever on the Rust team made the decision to reach out and downgrade JeanHeyd's talk seems extremely incompetent.
Optics matter a lot here and a large portion of leadership roles is optics. It's careless to not take context into account, like the recent history of poor Rust-related optics (E.g. trademark thing) and JeanHeyd (The person they invited) talking about lack of black representation.
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- ninepoints 3y agoConsidering Elon an "effective leader" is certainly a take.
- preordained 3y agoThe media hates him, and I can understand how that can be hard to separate out from one's view of reality; but, I think whether Elon has success despite actually being terrible as some might think, or is actually really good at what he does, he's been very successful on the whole if you can be the slightest bit objective. So, given that, you would have to claim to know, really know, that it's all despite him to say he's ineffective, which is a pretty silly thing to propose unqualified.
- ninepoints 3y agoCorrelation != causation. It's clear that his success is in spite of himself, not because of it. I don't know anyone in my professional circle that would work under him, what with having a reputation for impulse firing people that disagree with you and other clear signs of egomania.
- bybybyby 3y agoSo then what other then Elon's leadership has caused his companies to effectively exist and achieve all their goals? If leadership isn't the causal factor then what is the causal factor?
- amusedcyclist 3y agoGood engineers and funding ?
- kortilla 3y agoIs your suggestion that both Tesla and SpaceX ignored his leadership all of these years and went their own direction to success?
- worik 3y ago> The media hates him [Musk], and I can understand how that can be hard to separate out from one's view of reality; The media reports on him. Makes him look bad. Not the media's fault. It is how a genius can also be a fool
- bybybyby 3y agoHow is it a take? Effectiveness is measured in how effective he is in achieving his goals. He may not be a well liked or a good leader. But that is different from effectiveness. Elon is a highly effective leader, simply because his leadership has effectively carried out its objectives. and that is a categorical truth.
- kortilla 3y agoConsidering him not is pretty dumb given the success of two independent companies under his leadership (spacex and tesla). Under his leadership both companies went from nothing to successful. You can claim that all of the success is due to the other execs at those companies, but they are still his choices following his leadership. He has the power to fire any of them so they are clearly doing what he wants.
- lost_tourist 3y agoI think Musk is good at choose great lieutenants who believe in his vision. As a person he has turned into an awful individual. Lots of awful individuals have been great at business and running corps. I don't actually think he's all that talented as a day-to-day CEO
- bybybyby 3y agoChoosing great lieutenants are actions related to effective leadership. You may consider him to be a toxic and awful person but that is independent of him being an effective leader. For example, Hitler was an effective leader.
- unusualmonkey 3y ago> You can be an effective leader with bad optics. See Elon musk. I'd argue part of what made Musk's companies so successful was the optics - he was seen as a visionary, building the future - ergo customers and engineers alike wanted to associate with him. Since the decline in his optics over the last few years, has he been an effective leader? Twitter does not seem to support that notion.
- bybybyby 3y agoDidn't he save Twitter from total bankruptcy? That's effective imo. Still SpaceX and Tesla are examples of effectiveness overall. He may not have been effective in all his ventures but for the majority he has been effective. I'd say going into space and creating an effective electric car product is more than optics.
- unusualmonkey 3y ago> Didn't he save Twitter from total bankruptcy? Did he? I see no evidence Twitter was at risk of total bankruptcy before he bought it. > Still SpaceX and Tesla are examples of effectiveness overall Which reinforces my point - both were formed and successful while Elon had good optics.