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As someone who doesn't follow very closely, the amount of drama around Rust seems to be something unseen among open source projects before. Is it that BDFL-bas

by oytis 3y ago

As someone who doesn't follow very closely, the amount of drama around Rust seems to be something unseen among open source projects before. Is it that BDFL-based governance just works better, or do people have higher expectations from Rust community than from, say, Linux one?

mhd 3y ago
Ruby's Matz counts as a BFDL, does he? Because there was plenty of drama in that area...
- oytis 3y ago
  Like what? It might I am not that interested in the language or HN is not that interested in the language, but I can't remember anything.
  - mhd 3y ago
    There even used to be a rubydramas.com site, if I remember correctly (parked domain right now). https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4801226 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4801226 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4487963 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4487963 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28712821 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28712821 It's been a while since the last big drama, but then again, it's also been a while since Ruby was that popular.
- jemmyw 3y ago
  Not for a long time. I think the drama queens might have moved on to another language.
BlueTemplar 3y ago
Didn't Linux (used to ?) have regular drama because of Linus, erm, outbursts ?
- oytis 3y ago
  Well, it existed for quite a long time before drama started, it was just one or two episodes, and was relatively short-lived. I haven't heard anything about Linux in that regard for quite a while, but Rust is in the news regularly. Linux kernel also has a much larger community.
ajross 3y ago
> the amount of drama around Rust seems to be something unseen among open source projects before. Bless your heart. The modern world is tame and blissful in comparison to the world of the 90's. Then, most projects could be individually maintained and so treated their drama with public forks of source code and shrieking on mailing lists. We who lived through that remember the ejection of Theo from NetBSD and the resulting fork of OpenBSD, the XFree86/Xorg fork, the gcc/egcs fork, emacs/xemacs, the list goes on and on. Today, most major maintainers are employed by name brand corporations to do their work, which highly constrains the amount of drama to "stuff that doesn't embarrass your boss". So board-level end-arounds like the linked article is all we get. It used to be much more personal.

by oytis 3y ago

mhd 3y ago

Ruby's Matz counts as a BFDL, does he? Because there was plenty of drama in that area...

oytis 3y ago
Like what? It might I am not that interested in the language or HN is not that interested in the language, but I can't remember anything.
- mhd 3y ago
  There even used to be a rubydramas.com site, if I remember correctly (parked domain right now). https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4801226 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4801226 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4487963 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4487963 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28712821 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28712821 It's been a while since the last big drama, but then again, it's also been a while since Ruby was that popular.
jemmyw 3y ago
Not for a long time. I think the drama queens might have moved on to another language.

BlueTemplar 3y ago

Didn't Linux (used to ?) have regular drama because of Linus, erm, outbursts ?

oytis 3y ago
Well, it existed for quite a long time before drama started, it was just one or two episodes, and was relatively short-lived. I haven't heard anything about Linux in that regard for quite a while, but Rust is in the news regularly. Linux kernel also has a much larger community.

ajross 3y ago

> the amount of drama around Rust seems to be something unseen among open source projects before. Bless your heart. The modern world is tame and blissful in comparison to the world of the 90's. Then, most projects could be individually maintained and so treated their drama with public forks of source code and shrieking on mailing lists. We who lived through that remember the ejection of Theo from NetBSD and the resulting fork of OpenBSD, the XFree86/Xorg fork, the gcc/egcs fork, emacs/xemacs, the list goes on and on. Today, most major maintainers are employed by name brand corporations to do their work, which highly constrains the amount of drama to "stuff that doesn't embarrass your boss". So board-level end-arounds like the linked article is all we get. It used to be much more personal.