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I feel like this post misses the point. Do most people care if someone was a keynote speaker? No(Outside of academia). Is it a big deal if your talk was select

I feel like this post misses the point. Do most people care if someone was a keynote speaker? No(Outside of academia). Is it a big deal if your talk was selected as a speaker or keynote speaker? No. But should you care if your talk is demoted from Keynote to non-keynote without following due process(and possibly because of personal biases)? Yes. I don't know anything about any of the parties involved, but I feel like declining the talk was the correct thing to do and raising the lack of due process is also the correct thing to do.

jasmer 3y ago
Nobody cares but the speaker themselves. There is obviously some legit cred here, and it's a definite downgrade - but it's not being sent to the woods either. G Given that 'nobody else cares at all, whatsoever' - that adds context to this which we should include in our understanding. Nobody is missing grant money, or getting a stain on their resume, not getting a job, publicly dragged, meaning the slight is ultimately very personal. There is a legit grievance here, but it's overstated. Most gripes have a kernel of truth, the issue is to match up the size of the truth, with the size of the kernel.
- jemmyw 3y ago
  If nobody cared then why did someone make such a big deal out of the talk making them uncomfortable and therefore needing to downgrade it. It obviously did matter to more than just the speaker.
- viraptor 3y ago
  > Nobody cares but the speaker themselves. You're not speaking for everyone. I care about the Rust leadership behaving properly for example, because issues like this may be a sign of other problems with respecting the community. And I would like to trust them to resolve issues fairly and quickly since I will rely on the project's progress in the future and don't want people leaving because of mishandling social issues.
  - jasmer 3y ago
    Yes, we care that people behave themselves, we're referring to 'who cares' about whether the nature of a talk being 'keynote speaker or not'. If Jim Smith is keynote, great, if they're in a conference talk, great, nobody is going to fathom one way or another but the speaker themselves.
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fwungy 3y ago
Its a CV brag. It means you're a big shot if you're giving the keynote at a top conference. Most people never do that so it's a big deal. It grants high credibility in the outside world which gets you invited to additional opportunities.

jasmer 3y ago

Nobody cares but the speaker themselves. There is obviously some legit cred here, and it's a definite downgrade - but it's not being sent to the woods either. G Given that 'nobody else cares at all, whatsoever' - that adds context to this which we should include in our understanding. Nobody is missing grant money, or getting a stain on their resume, not getting a job, publicly dragged, meaning the slight is ultimately very personal. There is a legit grievance here, but it's overstated. Most gripes have a kernel of truth, the issue is to match up the size of the truth, with the size of the kernel.

jemmyw 3y ago
If nobody cared then why did someone make such a big deal out of the talk making them uncomfortable and therefore needing to downgrade it. It obviously did matter to more than just the speaker.
viraptor 3y ago
> Nobody cares but the speaker themselves. You're not speaking for everyone. I care about the Rust leadership behaving properly for example, because issues like this may be a sign of other problems with respecting the community. And I would like to trust them to resolve issues fairly and quickly since I will rely on the project's progress in the future and don't want people leaving because of mishandling social issues.
- jasmer 3y ago
  Yes, we care that people behave themselves, we're referring to 'who cares' about whether the nature of a talk being 'keynote speaker or not'. If Jim Smith is keynote, great, if they're in a conference talk, great, nobody is going to fathom one way or another but the speaker themselves.
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fwungy 3y ago

Its a CV brag. It means you're a big shot if you're giving the keynote at a top conference. Most people never do that so it's a big deal. It grants high credibility in the outside world which gets you invited to additional opportunities.