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Sometimes I ponder creating a story about how different groups trying to infiltrate groups actually become the group itself. Like undercovers trying to prove to
by explorer83 3y ago
Sometimes I ponder creating a story about how different groups trying to infiltrate groups actually become the group itself. Like undercovers trying to prove to the group they belong but are actually just trying to one-up other undercovers from other organizations. Idk if I'm explaining that well enough or not.
- BLKNSLVR 3y agoYeah, so an employee of ZeroFox thinks an employee of DarkOwl may be able to be encouraged to say or do something that could justify the cost of ZeroFox's government contract this month. The communications from the ZeroFox schlub to the DarkOwl narc give the DarkOwl narc the idea that the ZeroFox schlub could be the trailhead to an increased 2024 budget. And so on. Cue Keystone Cops clip.
- praptak 3y agoThat was a mini plot in Bill the Galactic Hero. A group of revolutionaries recruits Bill. When they actually start a revolution, every single conspirator quietly leaves the crowd to join a hideout of the secret government agency they were working for.
- veridies 3y agoYou're describing The Man Who Was Thursday. Great novel!
- pmoriarty 3y agoYou might enjoy G. K. Chesterton's 1908 novel The Man Who Was Thursday.[1] Spoiler from the Wikipedia plot synopsis: "In his efforts to thwart the council, Syme eventually discovers that five of the other six members are also undercover detectives; each was employed just as mysteriously and assigned to defeat the Council. They soon find out they were fighting each other and not real anarchists..." In 1977, Philip K Dick took this up a notch in A Scanner Darkly[2], in which the drug-addled protagonist is unknowingly spying and informing on himself. [1] - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_Who_Was_Thursday https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_Who_Was_Thursday [2] - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scanner_darkly https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scanner_darkly
- specproc 3y agoThere's a fantastic film called The Day Shall Come, which is a very dark comic take on this theme. Thoroughly recommended.
- mosquitobiten 3y agoI also don't understand how can they prove their data is real. Subreddits, discord servers and telegram groups can easily be created by ones affiliated with these "spies" and imaginary actors can also be impersonated by LLM bots.
- pessimizer 3y agoHappens a lot. Left-wing groups in the UK and US are sometimes essentially government front groups. The McLibel case [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McLibel_case https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McLibel_case] was a big thing for lefties when I was a teen. McDonald's sued some lefty British vegans over a pamphlet they were handing out, but didn't realize that the activists they were suing would love nothing more than to air their beliefs in court with McDonald's for years on end. Turns out that one of the authors of the pamphlet was an undercover cop. The woman who being sued, Helen Steel, met a man during the lawsuit and dated him for two years until he disappeared without a trace. He was also an undercover cop. Keir Starmer offered his legal services to the accused for free, which is some of the best evidence that he also worked in British intelligence.
- poutrathor 3y agoThat's conspiracy theory on hackernews :D