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He was flying to Ecuador and his passport was revoked when he was in Russia. If you speak out against the war in Ukraine in Russia you get shot, and he has a wi

He was flying to Ecuador and his passport was revoked when he was in Russia. If you speak out against the war in Ukraine in Russia you get shot, and he has a wife and kids now. He's done his part imo

jki275 3y ago
This is false. His passport had been revoked before he got on the plane. He got on the plane to "Ecuador" on a temporary travel document from Ecuador, knowing he was never getting off anywhere but Moscow. https://apnews.com/article/587786e6e63b4dc2b70c471606d7f584 https://apnews.com/article/587786e6e63b4dc2b70c471606d7f584
- philippejara 3y ago
  from your own article: "If a senior official in another country or with an airline orders it, a country could overlook the withdrawn passport, the official said."
  - nyokodo 3y ago
    > a country could overlook the withdrawn passport It still contradicts the narrative that he was stuck in Russia because his passport was revoked once he got there.
  - jki275 3y ago
    That doesn't contradict anything I said or support anything I was responding to.
nyokodo 3y ago
> He was flying to Ecuador and his passport was revoked when he was in Russia Says who. > If you speak out against Ukraine in Russia you get shot, and he has a wife and kids now. That doesn’t mean he has to pledge allegiance during that period. Regardless it’s not what an American patriot does. That narrative is untenable now.
- SSLy 3y ago
  >Says who. The primary source https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/snowden-calls-russian-spy-story-absurd-in-exclusive-interview https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/snowden-calls-russi...
- luke727 3y ago
  > Says who. Just a few tabloid rags like The Washington Post [1], The Guardian [2], and The Atlantic [3]. > That doesn’t mean he has to pledge allegiance during that period. Regardless it’s not what an American patriot does. That narrative is untenable now. Pledging allegiance is required to obtain Russian citizenship, which grants him additional protections from the United States. It is also required to obtain a Russian passport, which is required because the United States revoked his American passport, made him stateless, trapped him in an adversarial foreign country, and would do everything in their considerable power to intercept him should he try to seek asylum elsewhere. Sure, the timing makes for awkward optics, but I'm going to cut the guy some slack not only for what he's been through, but for having his reputation falsely tarnished as well. [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/07/02/ecuadors-strange-journey-from-embracing-snowden-to-turning-him-away/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/07/02... [2] https://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/aug/29/julian-assange-told-edward-snowdon-not-seek-asylum-in-latin-america https://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/aug/29/julian-assange... [3] https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/06/why-edward-snowden-is-looking-to-ecuador-for-asylum/277139/ https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/06/wh...
  - win32k 3y ago
    Brought it all on himself. Deserves to rot in jail.
  - nyokodo 3y ago
    > Russian citizenship, which grants him additional protections from the United States Protections he apparently didn’t need for nearly a decade, but did once Russia was executing its genocidal war. Your “he’s merely scared of America” narrative doesn’t hold water. > trapped him in an adversarial foreign country No one made him travel and his passport was revoked before flying to Moscow, evidence elsewhere on the thread. He trapped himself! > timing makes for awkward optics, but I'm going to cut the guy some slack Russia is systematically raping and murdering Ukrainians while Snowden is giving his oath to Russia and you call that “awkward optics?”
dragonwriter 3y ago
> If you speak out against Ukraine in Russia you get shot You mean, against the “special military operation”; speaking out against Ukraine is... quite acceptable.
selimthegrim 3y ago
You go to jail. Putin isn't Stalin. But Snowden isn't a Russia citizen, so the US could shoot him if rendered, now that Russia withdrew from the ECHR.
- haakon 3y ago
  Snowden became a Russian citizen last September: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63036991 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63036991
  - selimthegrim 3y ago
    Yes you are correct my apologies.
win32k 3y ago
Real patriots wouldn't flee the country.

He was flying to Ecuador and his passport was revoked when he was in Russia. If you speak out against the war in Ukraine in Russia you get shot, and he has a wife and kids now. He's done his part imo

jki275 3y ago

This is false. His passport had been revoked before he got on the plane. He got on the plane to "Ecuador" on a temporary travel document from Ecuador, knowing he was never getting off anywhere but Moscow. https://apnews.com/article/587786e6e63b4dc2b70c471606d7f584 https://apnews.com/article/587786e6e63b4dc2b70c471606d7f584

philippejara 3y ago
from your own article: "If a senior official in another country or with an airline orders it, a country could overlook the withdrawn passport, the official said."
- nyokodo 3y ago
  > a country could overlook the withdrawn passport It still contradicts the narrative that he was stuck in Russia because his passport was revoked once he got there.
- jki275 3y ago
  That doesn't contradict anything I said or support anything I was responding to.

nyokodo 3y ago

> He was flying to Ecuador and his passport was revoked when he was in Russia Says who. > If you speak out against Ukraine in Russia you get shot, and he has a wife and kids now. That doesn’t mean he has to pledge allegiance during that period. Regardless it’s not what an American patriot does. That narrative is untenable now.

SSLy 3y ago
>Says who. The primary source https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/snowden-calls-russian-spy-story-absurd-in-exclusive-interview https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/snowden-calls-russi...
luke727 3y ago
> Says who. Just a few tabloid rags like The Washington Post [1], The Guardian [2], and The Atlantic [3]. > That doesn’t mean he has to pledge allegiance during that period. Regardless it’s not what an American patriot does. That narrative is untenable now. Pledging allegiance is required to obtain Russian citizenship, which grants him additional protections from the United States. It is also required to obtain a Russian passport, which is required because the United States revoked his American passport, made him stateless, trapped him in an adversarial foreign country, and would do everything in their considerable power to intercept him should he try to seek asylum elsewhere. Sure, the timing makes for awkward optics, but I'm going to cut the guy some slack not only for what he's been through, but for having his reputation falsely tarnished as well. [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/07/02/ecuadors-strange-journey-from-embracing-snowden-to-turning-him-away/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/07/02... [2] https://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/aug/29/julian-assange-told-edward-snowdon-not-seek-asylum-in-latin-america https://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/aug/29/julian-assange... [3] https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/06/why-edward-snowden-is-looking-to-ecuador-for-asylum/277139/ https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/06/wh...
- win32k 3y ago
  Brought it all on himself. Deserves to rot in jail.
- nyokodo 3y ago
  > Russian citizenship, which grants him additional protections from the United States Protections he apparently didn’t need for nearly a decade, but did once Russia was executing its genocidal war. Your “he’s merely scared of America” narrative doesn’t hold water. > trapped him in an adversarial foreign country No one made him travel and his passport was revoked before flying to Moscow, evidence elsewhere on the thread. He trapped himself! > timing makes for awkward optics, but I'm going to cut the guy some slack Russia is systematically raping and murdering Ukrainians while Snowden is giving his oath to Russia and you call that “awkward optics?”

dragonwriter 3y ago

> If you speak out against Ukraine in Russia you get shot You mean, against the “special military operation”; speaking out against Ukraine is... quite acceptable.

selimthegrim 3y ago

You go to jail. Putin isn't Stalin. But Snowden isn't a Russia citizen, so the US could shoot him if rendered, now that Russia withdrew from the ECHR.

haakon 3y ago
Snowden became a Russian citizen last September: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63036991 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63036991
- selimthegrim 3y ago
  Yes you are correct my apologies.

win32k 3y ago

Real patriots wouldn't flee the country.