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Two things 1. Dabiri mentioned in a tweet (left out of the BBC article ofc) that his departure didn’t have to do with recent events. That might be face-saving

by 23B1 3y ago

Two things 1. Dabiri mentioned in a tweet (left out of the BBC article ofc) that his departure didn’t have to do with recent events. That might be face-saving on his part but it is clickbaiting on the BBC’s part. Source: https://twitter.com/foaddabiri/status/1662110369140310023?s=20 https://twitter.com/foaddabiri/status/1662110369140310023?s=... 2. Second point is that evidently twitter didn’t pay its bills (hosting maybe?) for Spaces. Source: https://www.theinformation.com/articles/twitter-cut-key-software-before-desantis-audio-glitch?utm_source=ti_app https://www.theinformation.com/articles/twitter-cut-key-soft... Both are obviously RUMINT but, there ya go…

sillysaurusx 3y ago
It’s a real thing. I left a place recently for completely unrelated reasons, and figuring out how to tell everyone was weirdly challenging. The timing was also such that it seemed directly related to the company. Sometimes people just want to change up their career. It happens. There’s no particular reason. And yeah, sure, he could’ve been let go for the technical glitches. But it’s hardly his fault if his heart isn’t in it anymore. People change. The trick is to depart before it becomes a problem, which (as I’ve discovered) is indeed tricky. Your instinct is to stay simply because it’s the default, it’s good money, and it’s no effort to change the status quo. Plus you worked hard to get there. All of those are difficult forces to overcome when you just want to do something, anything, else.
- Waterluvian 3y ago
  The rate at which drama happens at Twitter probably makes it especially tricky to time an exit to avoid it looking like the reason. I think in the absence of evidence we just take the man at his word.
senttoschool 3y ago
Everyone went against me on HN when I said it's dangerous of BBC to associate the Desantis event with Dabiri without evidence: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36082410#36082475 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36082410#36082475
- Freedom2 3y ago
  I think what's most important is that "curious" discussion was generated out of your comment! Despite what you may think, I believe the discussion spawned out of it was a resounding success.
- sillysaurusx 3y ago
  There’s a huge influx of new HN users. Like, a massive spike over the last few months. I don’t think it’s worth worrying about voting patterns until they’ve had time to steep in HN’s culture. I’ve noticed similar fluctuations in pretty much anything remotely controversial I’ve posted. The more alarming aspect was the shrillness of replies, which seem to generally go unchallenged. I don’t like the idea that people think HN is for loudness. But thankfully that seems to be a minor fluctuation. The sibling reply from Freedom2 is right too — your comment (other than the downvote complaints, which I know is hard to resist) generated some good discussion.
  - 23B1 3y ago
    Is there some place where I can see the data that backs up this influx of users? I ask because I believe you because I’ve felt that way too recently, but I’d love to verify it.
    - djbusby 3y ago
      Use the HN API and just pull all the users, it's got created date, then feed to your favorite BI tool.
      - kevin_thibedeau 3y ago
        How many are bots being crafted into sockpuppet accounts to silence damaging information.
        remote_phone 3y ago
        You can’t downvote until 500 karma so it doesn’t matter. HN has voting ring detection as well.
blibble 3y ago
> 2. Second point is that evidently twitter didn’t pay its bills (hosting maybe?) for Spaces. Source: https://www.theinformation.com/articles/twitter-cut-key-soft https://www.theinformation.com/articles/twitter-cut-key-soft... you could have some fun here if you were a creditor who Musk was refusing to pay leave the service running, and cut it off at the point it does as much political damage as possible to Musk
- 23B1 3y ago
  https://www.npr.org/2019/03/25/706715377/man-pleads-guilty-to-phishing-scheme-that-fleeced-facebook-google-of-100-million https://www.npr.org/2019/03/25/706715377/man-pleads-guilty-t...
remote_phone 3y ago
> Second point is that evidently twitter didn’t pay its bills (hosting maybe?) for Spaces. This is Musk’s #1 play in his playbook. Stop paying people and see who is willing to fight for it legally. Then negotiate down. He did the same thing with Solar Roof customers when he doubled their price and asked them to sign a new contract even if they had a signed contract. My friend was one of those and he simply refused to sign anything because he knew better but I wonder how many signed the new contract. Eventually they relented and honored the original price but it was disgusting to even have to deal with that.
- 23B1 3y ago
  Musk is as much a dirtbag industrialist as the rest – Jobs, Gates, Sergey/Brin, Bezos, Waltons, Sacklers, Rockefeller, JP Morgan. We admire them for their successes, which they use to camouflage their misdeeds. Worth studying but never becoming.
  - mptest 3y ago
    Do they use it to camouflage their misdeeds, or are the misdeeds how they achieve such success?
ck2 3y ago
We won't know the truth until he is well clear of Musk's grasp. Remember Musk clawed-back severance and bonuses on many people who already left. Would you put someone on a two-week notice in charge of a nationwide critical launch? In any case, hard to care no matter what the truth is, one more stupid twitter thing where it's a death by 1000 self-inflicted cuts. I still don't get why there isn't an alternative, it's just a brand name, the service could have be replicated.
- throwaway5959 3y ago
  “Remember Musk clawed-back severance and bonuses on many people who already left.” How does that work?
mhh__ 3y ago
> clickbaiting. Perhaps, but the reasoning seems to basically boil down to "Journalists should take everything as gospel unless explicitly proven otherwise"
- 23B1 3y ago
  Journalists should take everything as heresy and then do the job they're supposed to do, which is prove or disprove it.
  - inhumantsar 3y ago
    Hard to prove or disprove hearsay or heresy though.
    - 23B1 3y ago
      Haha damnit

by 23B1 3y ago

sillysaurusx 3y ago

It’s a real thing. I left a place recently for completely unrelated reasons, and figuring out how to tell everyone was weirdly challenging. The timing was also such that it seemed directly related to the company. Sometimes people just want to change up their career. It happens. There’s no particular reason. And yeah, sure, he could’ve been let go for the technical glitches. But it’s hardly his fault if his heart isn’t in it anymore. People change. The trick is to depart before it becomes a problem, which (as I’ve discovered) is indeed tricky. Your instinct is to stay simply because it’s the default, it’s good money, and it’s no effort to change the status quo. Plus you worked hard to get there. All of those are difficult forces to overcome when you just want to do something, anything, else.

Waterluvian 3y ago
The rate at which drama happens at Twitter probably makes it especially tricky to time an exit to avoid it looking like the reason. I think in the absence of evidence we just take the man at his word.

senttoschool 3y ago

Everyone went against me on HN when I said it's dangerous of BBC to associate the Desantis event with Dabiri without evidence: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36082410#36082475 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36082410#36082475

Freedom2 3y ago
I think what's most important is that "curious" discussion was generated out of your comment! Despite what you may think, I believe the discussion spawned out of it was a resounding success.
sillysaurusx 3y ago
There’s a huge influx of new HN users. Like, a massive spike over the last few months. I don’t think it’s worth worrying about voting patterns until they’ve had time to steep in HN’s culture. I’ve noticed similar fluctuations in pretty much anything remotely controversial I’ve posted. The more alarming aspect was the shrillness of replies, which seem to generally go unchallenged. I don’t like the idea that people think HN is for loudness. But thankfully that seems to be a minor fluctuation. The sibling reply from Freedom2 is right too — your comment (other than the downvote complaints, which I know is hard to resist) generated some good discussion.
- 23B1 3y ago
  Is there some place where I can see the data that backs up this influx of users? I ask because I believe you because I’ve felt that way too recently, but I’d love to verify it.
  - djbusby 3y ago
    Use the HN API and just pull all the users, it's got created date, then feed to your favorite BI tool.
    - kevin_thibedeau 3y ago
      How many are bots being crafted into sockpuppet accounts to silence damaging information.
      - remote_phone 3y ago
        You can’t downvote until 500 karma so it doesn’t matter. HN has voting ring detection as well.

blibble 3y ago

> 2. Second point is that evidently twitter didn’t pay its bills (hosting maybe?) for Spaces. Source: https://www.theinformation.com/articles/twitter-cut-key-soft https://www.theinformation.com/articles/twitter-cut-key-soft... you could have some fun here if you were a creditor who Musk was refusing to pay leave the service running, and cut it off at the point it does as much political damage as possible to Musk

23B1 3y ago
https://www.npr.org/2019/03/25/706715377/man-pleads-guilty-to-phishing-scheme-that-fleeced-facebook-google-of-100-million https://www.npr.org/2019/03/25/706715377/man-pleads-guilty-t...

remote_phone 3y ago

> Second point is that evidently twitter didn’t pay its bills (hosting maybe?) for Spaces. This is Musk’s #1 play in his playbook. Stop paying people and see who is willing to fight for it legally. Then negotiate down. He did the same thing with Solar Roof customers when he doubled their price and asked them to sign a new contract even if they had a signed contract. My friend was one of those and he simply refused to sign anything because he knew better but I wonder how many signed the new contract. Eventually they relented and honored the original price but it was disgusting to even have to deal with that.

23B1 3y ago
Musk is as much a dirtbag industrialist as the rest – Jobs, Gates, Sergey/Brin, Bezos, Waltons, Sacklers, Rockefeller, JP Morgan. We admire them for their successes, which they use to camouflage their misdeeds. Worth studying but never becoming.
- mptest 3y ago
  Do they use it to camouflage their misdeeds, or are the misdeeds how they achieve such success?

ck2 3y ago

We won't know the truth until he is well clear of Musk's grasp. Remember Musk clawed-back severance and bonuses on many people who already left. Would you put someone on a two-week notice in charge of a nationwide critical launch? In any case, hard to care no matter what the truth is, one more stupid twitter thing where it's a death by 1000 self-inflicted cuts. I still don't get why there isn't an alternative, it's just a brand name, the service could have be replicated.

throwaway5959 3y ago
“Remember Musk clawed-back severance and bonuses on many people who already left.” How does that work?

mhh__ 3y ago

> clickbaiting. Perhaps, but the reasoning seems to basically boil down to "Journalists should take everything as gospel unless explicitly proven otherwise"

23B1 3y ago
Journalists should take everything as heresy and then do the job they're supposed to do, which is prove or disprove it.
- inhumantsar 3y ago
  Hard to prove or disprove hearsay or heresy though.
  - 23B1 3y ago
    Haha damnit